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Freezer Burn
Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Busan
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 Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:06 pm Post subject: Canada leaves Korea blank |
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Last night in my adult conversation class, I had a high school student tell me that he saw a news report about Korea not appearing on a map of north-east Asia in a Canadian high school history book.
I said to him that it must of been a unit on Japan-China relations or the like, he said no it wasn't, Korea wasn't there and he was very upset about this.
I'm not sure if this is a current news report, but for the good of the children PLEASE EXPLAIN!, you can't imagine the hurt and the frustration these poor children must be feeling knowing there country doesn't exist.  |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Would you be surprised to learn that it's not being reported in Canada? Probably not current, possibly not a real story.... but yes I can imagine the wounded pride- did you off er the poor guy a hankie or anything? |
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dbee
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
Location: korea
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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What's ... Canada ????  |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:07 am Post subject: |
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Maybe it was a global map that simply didn't write the names of every "small" country on it?
If he is so worried, tell him to show you the article (even in Korean). If it is serious, it will be on the net if not, tell him it is just a bunch of hype. |
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pegpig
Joined: 10 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:19 am Post subject: |
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Tell him not to worry about it. It will be made up for by the fact that in Korean maps of the world Korea is seen as larger than it actually is. Plus around here the seas surrounding Korea are known as the East Sea, the South Sea (Korean Strait), and the West Sea. Why is that?
I have the unenviable task of teaching the boss' prodigy 1 on 1. He was telling me the other day that he was going to the West Sea. I said, "ah the Yellow Sea."   WHAT?! You'd think i just ate his puppy for crying out loud. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| Sounds like one of those crappy maps. Sometimes they omit Taiwan or Newfoundland (which is not small really) or Sri Lanka, and lots of other smaller islands. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| pegpig wrote: |
| I have the unenviable task of teaching the boss' prodigy 1 on 1. He was telling me the other day that he was going to the West Sea. I said, "ah the Yellow Sea." WHAT?! You'd think i just ate his puppy for crying out loud. |
You might want to remind him that the old Korean name for the "West Sea (sic)" is Ȳ��/����, which he'd know means "Yellow Sea" if he was paying attention during his hanja classes.
Usually the internationally neutral name Yellow Sea doesn't upset anyone I talk to, but my students occasionally get upset when I draw maps of Korea on the whiteboard and show them that as far as the English speaking world is concerned Korea is surrounded to the South and East by the East China Sea and the Sea of Japan.
When they get pissed I gently remind them that back in the days when Western explorers were making maps of Northeast Asia, Koreans killed or imprisoned Westerners who landed on the shores of Korea. As a result, we didn't bother to consult them as to what names they were calling the seas around them. There's a reason we called it the Hermit Kingdom. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:59 am Post subject: |
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There is a small map exhibition in COEX right now. basically just (decent) copies of old European maps for sale.
I think they are trying to prove the point of the "Corea" spelling. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
There is a small map exhibition in COEX right now. basically just (decent) copies of old European maps for sale.
I think they are trying to prove the point of the "Corea" spelling. |
And yet, they are the one's who wrote it with a K first.
http://www.pennfamily.org/KSS-USA/ok-0003.htm
Notice that this stamp is dated 1895...10 full years before the Japanese unofficially annexed Korea, and 15 years they did it officially.
The whole Japan changed it to K so the athletes wouldn't enter the Olympic stadium before the Japanese team is non-sense. The really tragedy is that Korean athletes were forced to adopt Japanese names and compete under the Japanese flag during the occupation. Anyone who is old and smart enough to remember the 1988 Olympics will remember this historical fact as the chauldron was lit by Sohn Kee-Chung, winner of the 1936 marathon under the name of Kiei Son, just as the doves perched themselves on the rim of the chauldron. |
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shakuhachi
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| The whole Japan changed it to K so the athletes wouldn't enter the Olympic stadium before the Japanese team is non-sense. The really tragedy is that Korean athletes were forced to adopt Japanese names and compete under the Japanese flag during the occupation. Anyone who is old and smart enough to remember the 1988 Olympics will remember this historical fact as the chauldron was lit by Sohn Kee-Chung, winner of the 1936 marathon under the name of Kiei Son, just as the doves perched themselves on the rim of the chauldron. |
Forced to adopt Japanese names? Forced to compete? I dont see any evidence of that. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| shakuhachi wrote: |
| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| The whole Japan changed it to K so the athletes wouldn't enter the Olympic stadium before the Japanese team is non-sense. The really tragedy is that Korean athletes were forced to adopt Japanese names and compete under the Japanese flag during the occupation. Anyone who is old and smart enough to remember the 1988 Olympics will remember this historical fact as the chauldron was lit by Sohn Kee-Chung, winner of the 1936 marathon under the name of Kiei Son, just as the doves perched themselves on the rim of the chauldron. |
Forced to adopt Japanese names? Forced to compete? I dont see any evidence of that. |
You're joking, right? It's a well documented fact. The whole symbolic gesture of having Sohn Kee-Chung light the flame had set CBC commentators tongue wagging on the topic during the whole time Mr. Sohn was making is way to the cauldron. I almost had a tear in my eyes, and then...whooosh...pigeon barbecue. |
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shakuhachi
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| You're joking, right? It's a well documented fact. |
I am not joking. I am wondering how Kitei Son could be considered to have been forced to take a Japanese name 4 years before the ����� policy allowed Koreans to choose a Japanese name for the Japanese family register (That policy started in 1940, the Olympics was in 1936). I also wonder if his name has been changed then why does the family name stay the same? (Son and Sohn have identical pronunciation) There is no family name in Japan called 'Son'. Considering this, it is obvious that 'Kitei' is just the Japanese pronunciation for the Chinese characters of his given name, and his last name is exactly the same. It seems to me he was just using a Japanese nickname for his given name, which should not seem unusual as he was born in 1912, and would never have known any other government in Korea except the Japanese one.
As for being 'forced to run under the Japanese flag', I dont think that there is any evidence to show that the Japanese coerced him to run. He ran under the Japanese flag of his own free will. I think it is also cogent to note that he was born and grew up in Manchuria and his parents were there taking advantage of the Japanese governments colonization program, in which they were taking part in as Japanese citizens. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:38 am Post subject: |
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As for being 'forced to run under the Japanese flag', I dont think that there is any evidence to show that the Japanese coerced him to run. |
So, they would have let him run under the Korean flag? I seriously doubt it. He wasn't put a gun to his head to participate, but he definetly had no choice to run for anyone but Imperial Japan.
You seem to be unaware that by 1936, Japanese language policy was already in place in order to prepare Korean men for the draft. Young men were 'encouraged' to learn Japanese, speak in Japanese, and adopt a Japanese name. |
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shakuhachi
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| So, they would have let him run under the Korean flag? I seriously doubt it. He wasn't put a gun to his head to participate, but he definetly had no choice to run for anyone but Imperial Japan. |
Korea didnt have a team, and Korea didnt have a flag because Korea was not a country. It was part of the Japanese empire, but was not occupied by Japan because the unification with Japan was conducted legally, without military conflict between Korea and Japan. Besides, there is no evidence that he was upset with the arrangement at the time.
| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| You seem to be unaware that by 1936, Japanese language policy was already in place in order to prepare Korean men for the draft. Young men were 'encouraged' to learn Japanese, speak in Japanese, and adopt a Japanese name. |
Korea was part of the Japanese empire, and Japanese was the language of the powerful. People were encouraged to learn Japanese, and it was in the school curriculum (so was Korean language, up until 1938). People didnt need to be forced to learn Japanese because Japanese language was the best way to financial and educational success (a concept that an English teacher in Korea should be able to grasp). Conscription (the 'blood tax') was not applied to Korea until April 1st, 1944 and Japan was defeated in 1945. As far as I know, none of the conscripts actually saw the battlefield. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| shakuhachi wrote: |
| People didnt need to be forced to learn Japanese because Japanese language was the best way to financial and educational success (a concept that an English teacher in Korea should be able to grasp). Conscription (the 'blood tax') was not applied to Korea until April 1st, 1944 and Japan was defeated in 1945. As far as I know, none of the conscripts actually saw the battlefield. |
Korean was removed from schools in 1938, but, interestingly, the highest percentage of the Korean population who could communicate in Japanese at any level during the occupation was only 20%. How could that be so? Despite your claims, the Japanese government did infact follow a policy of assimilation. How can that not be seen as forcing people?
By the way, the reason only 20% of the Korean population could speak Japanese is because language is not easily spread, such as a disease. Thus, language does not lend itself to being a tool to control a population. Koreans became so ethnically nationalistic because of the very Japanese language policies created to erase Koreans ethnic and cultural identities.
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