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sheba



Joined: 16 May 2005
Location: Here there and everywhere!

PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 5:52 am    Post subject: monthly expenses??? Reply with quote

tax, internet, electricity, gas, apt maintenance.....
What else? and how much should I expect to be paying?

(we arent paying pension)

Ive got my first bills arriving soon and was wondering how much I will have to fork out!
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's hard to say how much each of them costs, especially things like electricity because it depends on size of apartment and how many electrical gadgets you use. Air con?

But if you add everything together, plus food and entertainment expenses, it should be around W1 million. Any more than that and you should see if Life of the Rich and Famous wants to feature you in a future episode.
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in the sticks but this is what I pay.

Tax: Ask your employer, roughly 3 -5 %, it should never exceed that.

Gas: in the summer somewhere between 6,000 to 10,000 won. Depends on shower time and how much you cook. In the winter 50,-100k won.

Electricity: My wife and I pay roughly 53,000 won all year round.

Cable: I get 90 channels and five English movie channels for 6,600 won.

Internet : 37,000 won.

Phone: 13,000 won base: Long distance can kill.

Hand phone: Only Korean calls made at anytime when you want and talk as long as you want. 60,000 won.

Apt. maintenance: I got suckered into paying that my first year, 30,000 won.

Try to get out of apt. maintainence, it really is not your responsibility.

Anyother deductions, like unemployment insurance are bogus, don't let them deduct that from your pay.

Medical: 35,000 or a wee bit more. Make sure you get it as soon as possible because if you don't and wait three months they charge you since you got your Arc card anyways. I paid three months for no coverage because my boss didn't take the time. I was stuck buying cold symptom relief when I had a sinus infection for a month and a half.
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pollyplummer



Joined: 07 Mar 2005
Location: McMinnvillve, Oregon

PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 1:53 pm    Post subject: monthly expenses Reply with quote

I have a lot more expenses than I thought I would living here. I've been here three months and my apartment maintenance fee/electricity/water is all lumped together. I've never paid less than 82,000 won. I'm wondering if that's because one side of my apartment is all glass? I rarely run the air conditioning. The water part of the bill is suprisingly cheap. I think it's the electricity that does me in. How much you spend on food is something that nobody can calculate or estimate for you. Transportation can be another big one, depending on where you live and what you like to do on the weekends. I forgot to factor all of these things in when looking at the advertisements for jobs from my home in America. I was thinking that I'd be saving way more than if I were working at home. I am saving some, but it's not nearly as lucrative as it appears to be when you're job-hunting. That's what I've found anyway, and I'm not a huge spender. In fact, I'm a bit of a Scrooge!!
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The Chewbacca Defense



Joined: 29 May 2004
Location: The ROK and a hard place

PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 1:59 pm    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

In my old apartment I use to pay about 100,000 for all utilities.

In my new apartment I pay about 40,000.

I don't do anything different or have any less expenses.

I guess is it's just where you live!
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pollyplummer



Joined: 07 Mar 2005
Location: McMinnvillve, Oregon

PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, you guys are awake early this morning. I thought I was the only one who got up before 7 on a saturday Very Happy
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The Chewbacca Defense



Joined: 29 May 2004
Location: The ROK and a hard place

PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 2:12 pm    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

Early Saturday mornings.......from the childhood routine to wake early to watch Saturday morning cartoons and eating bowls of sugar covered cereal! Laughing
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimchieluver sums it up pretty good. I pay a tad more because we have a fairly big apt., but that's roughly what you can expect to pay if your home is a 15 to 25 pyong apt. You might want to add a bit of money to that if there are connections fees.
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sheba



Joined: 16 May 2005
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2005 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm, thanks everyone.... looks like it might be quite costly!

I have a mobile (made several short calls home), internet, gas, electricity, health insurance, renting my computer, paying apartment maintenace (trying to get out of it), and 5% tax (no pension though).

Judging by everyones figures, I should be paying about 300,000 won per month!! I will have to clear a few figures with my director though - my mobile is provided by the school so maybe I only pay for calls? and if I can get out of apt maintenace...

will see
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winnie



Joined: 08 May 2005
Location: the forest

PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2005 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am interested to know...how do you get out of apt. maintenance fees?

My apt landlord keeps harrassing me to pay up, but I don't feel like I should. They also have monthly meetings to talk about apt issues, but I am never invited b/c I cannot understand what is happening, and apparently, if I don't attend, they want an extra 5,000 won from me a month.

I am living in a teacher's residence, BTW, and I never see any maintenance of the building. If something breaks, and I am told to call a repair man and pay for that myself. So, how can I tell them I don't need to pay it?
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kprrok



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC

PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2005 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my bills for the month of May:

Electricity: 2.500 ��
Gas: 15.600 ��
Internet: 12.880 ��
Cell Phone: 32.480 ��

Total: 63.460 ��

Of course, I don't live in Seoul. So I may get better deals than anyone. Plus, I was out of town for part of the month so my phone didn't get used. For full usage, I never pay over 50.000 ��. But the other bills are normal for the month.

So if you are paying more than 100.000 �� for the month, you need to figure out what's going on. That being said, I do have a rather small 12 pyoung apartment, so my costs might be less than someone with a larger place.

KPRROK
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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2005 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

winnie wrote:
I am living in a teacher's residence, BTW, and I never see any maintenance of the building. If something breaks, and I am told to call a repair man and pay for that myself. So, how can I tell them I don't need to pay it?


The building owner paying for repairs only happens if you are renting from them. If a school has thrown down a chunsae (rent-free deposit) or bought it outright, then they are on the tab for paying of repairs.

And shrink your avatar because it's distorting the forum views for us. Here is a smaller one you can use:

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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2005 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's my understanding that the maintenance fees are for things like lightbulbs in the hallways, the security guard, if you have one, etc.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2005 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimchieluver wrote:
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Apt. maintenance: I got suckered into paying that my first year, 30,000 won.

Try to get out of apt. maintainence, it really is not your responsibility.

It's the responsibility of the tenant. If the unit is empty (i.e., the landlord hasn't found a tenant yet) then it's obviously the landlord's responsibility, but only until a tenant moves in. Then it's their expense. Whether it's the done thing in the ESL business for employers to cover this fee, I don't know. But on Planet Korea, it's the tenant (if there is one) who pays.

winnie wrote:
I am interested to know...how do you get out of apt. maintenance fees?

My apt landlord keeps harrassing me to pay up, but I don't feel like I should. They also have monthly meetings to talk about apt issues, but I am never invited b/c I cannot understand what is happening, and apparently, if I don't attend, they want an extra 5,000 won from me a month.

I am living in a teacher's residence, BTW, and I never see any maintenance of the building. If something breaks, and I am told to call a repair man and pay for that myself. So, how can I tell them I don't need to pay it?

"A teacher's residence"... and they have monthly meetings in Korean? This isn't a faculty housing building or a dormitory, then. It sounds like your school has chonsei-ed one or a group of units in a larger building (apartment, officetel, etc.) and is housing you there.

In any case, your landlord is hassling you as he'd hassle any tenant who didn't pay the "maintenance" fees. ("Building management" fees, of which maintenance is one aspect, is how I'd view this.) These fees will tend to cover certain repairs and not others. A clogged sink or broken toilet they probably won't fix. (Though I'm sure people can & will cite exceptions to this general rule.)

But problems with the heating/hot water system for the entire complex or building, water & power mains and networks to & thru the buildings, drainage systems, roof (not ceiling) leaks -- expenses for those repairs and maintenance most definitely would be covered by the "maintenance/management" fees. And note, these are things you wouldn't normally see or even know needed repairing.

Along with that, there's exerterior/interior paint & masonry work, landscaping & gardening in some cases, cleaning or replacing roof-top water tanks, elevator maintenance, general cleaning & trash removal, security systems, guard facilities, etc. This stuff is just the normal, routine grind of operating & managing a building, and it isn't done will a lot of fanfare. Still, it costs money and time, and as maintenance staff aren't indentured servants and manufacturers don't donate/upgrade/replace boiler systems, sewage systems, electrical/electronic equipment, etc. out of the goodness of their hearts, somebody -- the residents, as they're the ones deriving the direct benefits -- will have to foot the bill for it.
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2005 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good academy owner perspective. Where did it say in the contract "We will provide you an apartment rent free but you have to pay for the maintenance fees." I have yet to see one.
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