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Cohiba

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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Good read, thanks. I loved what Vigilanti had to say. |
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lunalilo

Joined: 11 May 2005 Location: somewhere in-between
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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If that's good reading, you should move to the u.s. and enjoy to your heart's content of everyday news of racist americans against non-whites
[quote][LatelineNews: 2005-7-16] HAMILTON, Ohio - It started with the spray-painted, misspelled ``Rapest'' on the house of a Hispanic man accused of sexually assaulting a 9-year-old white girl. Then the house went up in flames in a suspected arson.
Confrontations, name-calling and threats against Hispanics followed. Men roamed the streets wearing pillowcases with eye holes, and Ku Klux Klansmen in hoods and robes showed up to pass out pamphlets. There were rumors of assaults and beatings.
Now this small Ohio river city's booming Hispanic population is cowed, the streets in their neighborhoods nearly deserted.
Outside the office of the Living Water Ministry, which two months ago drew hundreds of people to its first Cinco de Mayo festival, there is still a smell of charred wood from the June 21 fire that gutted the house next door and caused damage to the outside of the ministry's office.
``Before, the street would be covered with people, people out all over the place,'' said Sasha Amen, community outreach coordinator for Living Water. ``There's a lot of fear now. People are shutting themselves in their homes.''
Hamilton has been a hotbed for Hispanic growth in a state that has lagged behind much of the nation in Hispanic population. The number of Hispanics here jumped fivefold in the 1990s, to 1,566, and is now estimated at 4,000 or more in a city of some 61,000.
For the most part, the immigrants had settled in without much controversy in Hamilton, whose mayor in the 1990s was of Cuban descent. But life here was transformed on June 19, when a 9-year-old Caucasian girl was raped, allegedly by a Hispanic man who has apparently fled the city.
``Yes, there is fear,'' said Ramona Ramirez, who owns a corner deli-supermarket where she says business is off and her bread delivery man is now afraid to come. ``They are attacking all the Hispanics, and it is only one person. We don't know what will happen.''
Lupe Galvan, a Mexican-born woman who has been here five years, said some neighbors are talking about moving away.
City and community leaders are trying to heal the wounds, beefing up patrols and trying to calm the community, Mayor Don Ryan said Friday. Ryan said authorities are stressing that the rape was ``strictly a random act of violence'' and not racially motivated.
``We're continuing to be a melting pot in this country,'' he said. ``Assimilating into our culture is tough; I firmly believe that it will take time.''
While the anti-Hispanic backlash has stunned many of the immigrants, some say they've felt racial prejudice here before. The Rev. Eustaquio Recalde, a native of Paraguay, says he was often harassed and ridiculed while working a factory job as the lone Hispanic employee.
``I think it's been around,'' Recalde said. ``This was an opportunity for a few people to express it.''
Ezra Escudero, executive director of the Ohio Commission on Hispanic/Latino Affairs in Columbus, says Hamilton is not alone in feeling tension in a state where the Hispanic population has doubled to nearly 280,000 since 1990.
``The challenge for the community is whether the tragedy will bring out the best or the worst in people,'' he said.
Shelly Jarrett Bromberg, an assistant professor of Spanish and Latin American studies at Miami University in Oxford, has helped organize two community forums since the fire. She called the Hamilton unrest an important moment for local Hispanics, churches, police and public officials.
``I think everyone realizes that we need to have a dialogue ... to make the community feel safe and feel that they have a voice,'' Bromberg said. ``I think there are a lot of people who want to make this work out.''
On the Net:
Hamilton: http://www.hamilton-city.org/
Ohio Commission on Hispanic/Latino Affairs: http://ochla.ohio.gov/
Muzi.com News http://latelinenews.com
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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It was a good read.
I also read the review of Korean cars. They are like little fridges. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:34 am Post subject: |
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This seems to be the only Korean viewpoint on that thread- with the usual insecure innacuracies highlighted:
"Well at least there are so many high svchool graduates or drop outs who get to teach English in Korea and make decent money. I mean hell more than half of those English teachers are making money illegally on their visitor's visa. I mean just because they r white, they get a good job their regardless of their educational background. Asian-American teachers in Japan or Korea have hard time finding teaching jobs over there just becaus they r not white. No Korean or Japanese highschool graduate can come to Canada and make such amount of money by teaching Korean or Japanese. In fact, they can't even get a visa. The problems Canadians or Americans cause in Korea or Japan are unkown in this society. There are American-teacher-in-Korea websites and most of the topics they talk about on the web are how to score with their Korean students. There have been many Americans or Canadians who got caught for having sex parties in Korea. I mean if yo go to another country to MAKE MONEY, you kind of respect their culture and custom. All the foreigners here in Canada are asked to adopt Canadian culture and its way and not do things that are against its moral standard. A lot of Americans in Korea act just as if they were in the states and this causes anger and resentment. I mean you don't have orgies or have sexual act in public if you were in Iran. A lot of the anger against white ppl is caused by how they have acted in the past in Japan and Korea. Though, I do agree that strong racism exist in Japan and Korea. They tend to confuse nationalism with racism. They had bitter history and had to suffer by other nations constanly in the histoy. But my bottom line is that those ppl who r teaching English in Korea and Japan are given the oppotunity to teach their own language there where Koreans and Jspanese aren't here. Maybe if they respected Korea and Japan's culture more, there would be way less anger towards them. If you go to Rome, you follow Roman law. After all they r the fortunate ones who r given the chance to make money." |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:49 am Post subject: |
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There's logic, then there's Korean logic. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:43 am Post subject: |
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dogbert wrote: |
There's logic, then there's Korean logic. |
Are you mixing the oxymoron thread up with this one?
I liked the part where the Korean guy wrote that we expect to have orgies in the streets... |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:18 am Post subject: |
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Gopher wrote: |
dogbert wrote: |
There's logic, then there's Korean logic. |
Are you mixing the oxymoron thread up with this one?
I liked the part where the Korean guy wrote that we expect to have orgies in the streets... |
There's logic, then there's the Korean way of thinking.
Orgies in the streets? Orgies belong in the barber shops, everyone know that.... |
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trevorcollins
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:55 am Post subject: |
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douchebag from rapier's post wrote: |
All the foreigners here in Canada are asked to adopt Canadian culture and its way and not do things that are against its moral standard. A lot of Americans in Korea act just as if they were in the states and this causes anger and resentment. I mean you don't have orgies or have sexual act in public if you were in Iran. |
Babo is confusing moral laws with legal ones. Sure, no one would have sex acts in public in Iran because it's illegal. Not sure who in Canada asks Koreans to adopt Canadian morals....laws maybe, but morals...? I doubt that. Funny that the guy does compare Korea to a fundamentalist Islamic state. What's he saying about his own country....? |
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matko

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: in a world of hurt!
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:24 am Post subject: |
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trevorcollins wrote: |
douchebag from rapier's post wrote: |
All the foreigners here in Canada are asked to adopt Canadian culture and its way and not do things that are against its moral standard. A lot of Americans in Korea act just as if they were in the states and this causes anger and resentment. I mean you don't have orgies or have sexual act in public if you were in Iran. |
Babo is confusing moral laws with legal ones. Sure, no one would have sex acts in public in Iran because it's illegal. Not sure who in Canada asks Koreans to adopt Canadian morals....laws maybe, but morals...? I doubt that. Funny that the guy does compare Korea to a fundamentalist Islamic state. What's he saying about his own country....? |
Yeah, that guy is so far out there it would not even be worth responding to were this thought process not so prevelant.
I remember a Korean student of mine in Vancouver complaining about how racist Canadians were. I told her Koreans were much more racist and intollerant. she had a hissy fit!!!
Her words exactly "how can you say that, you were there for only a year!"
Me: You've been here less than a month.
She transfered from my class and never spoke to me again. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:38 am Post subject: |
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this is the line i liked the best:
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There have been many Americans or Canadians who got caught for having sex parties in Korea. |
A quick translation:
"Many" = on one exxagerated blown out of proportion occassion
"got caught"= is it a criminal offence? |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:49 am Post subject: |
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trevorcollins wrote: |
douchebag from rapier's post wrote: |
All the foreigners here in Canada are asked to adopt Canadian culture and its way and not do things that are against its moral standard. A lot of Americans in Korea act just as if they were in the states and this causes anger and resentment. I mean you don't have orgies or have sexual act in public if you were in Iran. |
Babo is confusing moral laws with legal ones. Sure, no one would have sex acts in public in Iran because it's illegal. Not sure who in Canada asks Koreans to adopt Canadian morals....laws maybe, but morals...? I doubt that. Funny that the guy does compare Korea to a fundamentalist Islamic state. What's he saying about his own country....? |
Um, I hate to say this (and I really don't want to take this guys side) but ... Many people DO ask foreigners to take on Canadian values.
We ask them to wait in lines. We ask them not to push to get in front of us. We ask them not to let their kids pee in public.
I worked in a grocery store in a very ethnic neighborhood for years nad witnessed more than my share of culture clashes.
Yes, immigrant must adhere to the laws of their new land. But in many cases they are also asked to obey the unwritten ones. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:07 am Post subject: |
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Captain Corea wrote: |
Yes, immigrant must adhere to the laws of their new land. But in many cases they are also asked to obey the unwritten ones. |
I met a korean who complained that Americans were racist/condescending because someone told him off for throwing his napkins on the ground at an outside cafe.
Littering: an international law, or just a local custom?
Re: fitting into korea: I think most teachers here try to follow Korean codes once they've been here long enough to understand them.
Some things are just plain wrong in anybody's book though, like Korean guys hassling or beating women. |
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matko

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: in a world of hurt!
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:10 am Post subject: |
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Captain Corea wrote: |
We ask them to wait in lines. We ask them not to push to get in front of us. We ask them not to let their kids pee in public |
Those are not Canadian values. they are basic human ones. At least christian ones. If any culture claims those things as virtues, screw em!!! |
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trevorcollins
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 7:17 am Post subject: |
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Captain Corea wrote: |
trevorcollins wrote: |
douchebag from rapier's post wrote: |
All the foreigners here in Canada are asked to adopt Canadian culture and its way and not do things that are against its moral standard. A lot of Americans in Korea act just as if they were in the states and this causes anger and resentment. I mean you don't have orgies or have sexual act in public if you were in Iran. |
Babo is confusing moral laws with legal ones. Sure, no one would have sex acts in public in Iran because it's illegal. Not sure who in Canada asks Koreans to adopt Canadian morals....laws maybe, but morals...? I doubt that. Funny that the guy does compare Korea to a fundamentalist Islamic state. What's he saying about his own country....? |
Um, I hate to say this (and I really don't want to take this guys side) but ... Many people DO ask foreigners to take on Canadian values.
We ask them to wait in lines. We ask them not to push to get in front of us. We ask them not to let their kids pee in public. |
I didn't say "values". I said "morals". His exact words were "moral standard". This guy is essentially pissed that foreigners are sleeping with the local girls in the wild "sex parties".
As far as I know in most civilised societies public urination is prohibited by law, so there's no moral issue in saying immgrants can't do that. It's a legal issue. One must follow the laws of whatever country they are visiting. Regardless. As far as the rest of it no line jumping etc, that's just to create basic public order, avoid injuries etc. It's not to inflict any kind of moral self righteousness. Hardly compares to having a tantrum about cross cultural relationships. |
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