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demianamar



Joined: 08 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:44 am    Post subject: Hate it more than love it Reply with quote

Ok, so granted I've been here only 2 weeks and 2 days.....however, I have not enjoyed anything but afew days. I know everyone says it takes 3-6 months to be able to really judge living and teaching here...but I don't seem to want to stay. The homesickness and the culture shock are just overwhelming. Plus I had to argue with my school for the first week over the contract that I was basically deceived about in a number of ways and I'm afraid that if I do stay, I'm either gonna get gipped out of my bonus in the end, or have to fight tooth and nail. What should I do?
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:48 am    Post subject: Re: Hate it more than love it Reply with quote

Mariam wrote:
Ok, so granted I've been here only 2 weeks and 2 days.....however, I have not enjoyed anything but afew days. I know everyone says it takes 3-6 months to be able to really judge living and teaching here...but I don't seem to want to stay. The homesickness and the culture shock are just overwhelming. Plus I had to argue with my school for the first week over the contract that I was basically deceived about in a number of ways and I'm afraid that if I do stay, I'm either gonna get gipped out of my bonus in the end, or have to fight tooth and nail. What should I do?


Tough it out for awhile. Otherwise you'll have to hang your head in shame every time you describe your overseas adventure to your friends.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:52 am    Post subject: Re: Hate it more than love it Reply with quote

Mariam wrote:
Ok, so granted I've been here only 2 weeks and 2 days.....however, I have not enjoyed anything but afew days. I know everyone says it takes 3-6 months to be able to really judge living and teaching here...but I don't seem to want to stay. The homesickness and the culture shock are just overwhelming. Plus I had to argue with my school for the first week over the contract that I was basically deceived about in a number of ways and I'm afraid that if I do stay, I'm either gonna get gipped out of my bonus in the end, or have to fight tooth and nail. What should I do?

The first 2 weeks are the real honeymoon period. If you are having problems this early on.. and particularly with a non-reputable school.. sounds like you are in a very undesireable spot.

Life is too short and the opportunities are too many.. you can always quit and look for a school in a better location and a more reputable school as well. Most teachers who sign a contract through the mail/internet are in for a surprise.. its 100000000 times better when you are in-country and everything is up front and visible from day 1 before you even sign.
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Freezer Burn



Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have any other foreign teachers working there?
If not try to make a few friends as fast as possible, luckily we tend to find friends easy enough here just because we are western, Korean or foreign friends that is.
It will make your time here much more enjoyable, and it gives you a someone you can b-itch about your school\Korea about.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first two weeks in Korea were pretty hellish, and I really considered throwing in the towel. Things calmed down at that school,worked out mostly fine and 3.5 years later I'm still here.


Give yourself a set time- (say til the first pay check), and reallly try to make the time between now and then enjoyable. When you're not working, go and explore your area. If you still hate it here at the end of that time, you can go home knowing that you tried your best, and you probably got a few good stories out of it.

Believe it or not, the place really can grow on you.


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Ribs75



Joined: 20 Jun 2005
Location: UK

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:21 am    Post subject: Don't give up yet Reply with quote

Mariam,

I'm posting this because we actually met last Saturday. Do you remember me? I am the guy who was on the subway in Seoul with the Asian couple. We sat down and talked for a few stops before splitting.

I know your problems seem bad now and (maybe) you need to leave that hogwan (I don't know all of the situation). But don't give up on South Korea just get. You will only regret it. I'm having some minor problems right now where I work, but I know that going home is not the answer.

If you can manage it financially, it is far better to stay. Believe me, I had a job go wrong on me and returned home for a couple of months before coming out to South Korea. I know how much it can batter your self-confidence. If you can get over the home-sickness, you will not regret staying for your overseas experience - I can almost guarantee this.

I've lived away from home for over a year now (excluding the couple of months I returned back there). You get used to being overseas and learn new independence and coping strategies. You're here now, so don't let it go to waste.

Best of luck.
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sheba



Joined: 16 May 2005
Location: Here there and everywhere!

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first week was horrible.... I cried every morning, the teaching was SCARY, it was difficult to talk to the teachers, and I got so many comments about my weight and clothes. By week two I was questioning the director on tax issues and trust.... I had at least one bad day every week for the first month or so.

Ive been here a little over 4 months and I love it. It just keeps getting better and better and so far no culture shock!

The first month is pretty stressful. Once things settle you will feel much better. Give it a GOOD go, and if it doesnt work out then thats fine.... you need to at least give yourself that chance.
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CustomX



Joined: 25 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i will agree with the other people that already posted, the first month sucks. i was living on my own essentially, didn't have a job, i didnt see another foreigner for 5 days even though i went to seoul, i felt like i was starving(actually i was) because i was too afraid to make any attempt to purchase food, i didnt know anyone....looking back on it, im surprised i didnt go back home. i actually contemplated the idea several times the first 2 or 3 weeks. i continually thought 'why the hell did i do this to myself?' stick it out like the other people said, slowly things will start to get better. Months 2-5 were great, i think every day was better than the previous day. Now im in a comfort zone, i know quite a few people, my apartments all set up, i have a girlfriend....i think if you try for another few weeks you will slowly start to see some changes. good luck
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first started, it was a cakewalk. My boss was young and rich, so he drove me around in his Porsche to pick up girls in Apgujeong. My apartment was a little shabby; 28 pyeong and only 3 bedrooms, paid for by the school. My classes were block shift, teaching mostly uni girls from 3pm-7pm. We often went out to nightclubs together and drank ourselves into oblivion. I often woke up in the morning with one or two girls I didn't even remember meeting the night before!

Sorry to hear about your bad experience.
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

djsmnc wrote:
When I first started, it was a cakewalk. My boss was young and rich, so he drove me around in his Porsche to pick up girls in Apgujeong. My apartment was a little shabby; 28 pyeong and only 3 bedrooms, paid for by the school. My classes were block shift, teaching mostly uni girls from 3pm-7pm. We often went out to nightclubs together and drank ourselves into oblivion. I often woke up in the morning with one or two girls I didn't even remember meeting the night before!

Sorry to hear about your bad experience.


You've been watching too many mid-80's bikini movies. Next time you go to a video store, stay away from the old videos hidden at the bottom of the shelves facing away from the new releases.


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morituri



Joined: 03 Feb 2005
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:48 am    Post subject: hate it more than i love it Reply with quote

Didn't anyone tell you about the three dreaded rea's of Asia: Korea, gonorrhea, diarrhoea?

Seriously tho, you can try to separate the problems with your school from the problems you have with the country, if the school looks dodgy you can look discretely for another one. As for culture shock, I suppose everyone gets it, and you have to look at the reasons why you came here. It is like commodity trading: if the fundamental reason why you went in no longer holds, be prepared to turn on a dime and get out, otherwise just accept things as the market trying to shake you out of a perfectly good position.

If you think the school is genuinely trying to shaft you, then the earlier you move the better, because it will be run by the same people during the time you are here. But unless you hate the vibes that this place (Korea) gives you, maybe a few weeks is a little too quick to pull out, because you haven't met that many people.

Go out, meet people, make friends, get a hobby, learn something, join clubs, develop an interest in this place's history (invented or otherwise) or culture (or lack of it). One goes to a foreign country to see how different it is, by the time you leave you realise that it is not much different from your own, people want the same things, dislike the same things, feel sad or are hurt by the same things. Perhaps people are pushier and ruder here because they are more insecure and less certain of the future.

The poem goes: 'The sea does not fear water because it increases it, the mountain does not fear earth because it increases it'; so should it be with people no matter their age, race, sex or colour.

I hope you have a good time here and do not become embittered or cynical.

(posted in in a different topic by mistake)
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uberscheisse



Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mariam...

it will get better. as constricting as your first 2 weeks may feel, you will find that the opportunities in this country outweigh the black holes 10 zillion to 1.

relax, cruise the job forums and quit if you have to. find something better, because i guarantee you it's out there.
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Cedar



Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Location: In front of my computer, again.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try to keep an open-mind. Treat yourself to things that you need to make you feel more comfortable... an ice-cream cone, a donut... worry about your weight next month, this month, pamper yourself as much as you can, because you are adjusting to a lot of new stuff all at once and your noggin can only handle so much.

When I first got here, all I wanted was to be able to not worry about food. Nothig makes you hungry like barely being able to eat... I got here with my ex and we had about 12,000 in Korean won, it was a Saturday, and we didn't know anyone. We had to live till Monday after morning classes before we could get a co-worker (we'd just met that minute) to take us to a bank to exchange traveler's checks for local cash. That first weekend we bought dish-soap (to clean the apt.s kitchen-- it was gross), rice, onions, bottled water and soy sauce. That was how far 12,000 would go.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll bet part of the reason you came here was for adventure. You can't have adventure if everything is easy. The hero has to suffer and struggle before overcoming. Give yourself 3 months.

Homesickness is nasty, but you have to deal with it sooner or later. Decide this place is your home for X amount of time. Go out and get some nice pix for the walls or whatever will make it feel like your home. Make a determined effort to make a circle of friends. Homesickness feels lousy but it is not fatal. Do what you need to do to win the battle.

The job. If the job is still crummy after the battle with the boss over the contract, start looking elsewhere. If things have settled down at work, the rest of your life will work itself out. If not, you will stay miserable.

You are an educated person, intelligent enough to have graduated from a university. You have abilities and talents. Separate the problems in your life and set down a plan to deal with each one. Tell yourself that quitting is not an option until you have done your best.

Good luck.

Good luck.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
"Even though Korea has achieved some degree of globalization in going abroad, it has still a long way to go for globalization in embracing foreigners inward," said foreigners residing in Korea. An official in the International Cooperation Division of Seoul City admitted, "The same complaints regarding visas, transportation, education, and environment are raised every year without being solved, due to the lack of cooperation from government agencies involved and their passive attitudes."
Donga.com (July 4, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448

According to the Samsung Group's chairman, Lee Kun-hee, to succeed globally, Korea must forgo the thought that Korea and being Korean is superior, and foreign specialists must be treated with respect.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200206/14/200206142349223599900090109011.html

South Korea ranked 49th on the world's "Happiness Scale," its position on the happiness index being below the global average, according to a global survey Friday.
South Korea 49th in Happiness Ranking
By Choi Kyong-ae, Korea Times (December 10, 2004)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/biz/200412/kt2004121015562011860.htm

A Society that Spares Greetings
There are many people who point out that it is rare to hear basic words like "sorry" or "thank you" in Korean society.... Seoul National University Sociology professor Han Sang-jin pointed out that the extremely low level of maturity of people's mindsets, which lacks consideration for others, is associated with a social culture in which people do not exchange greetings. Professor Han said that due to the "rushing modernization," referring to a mad dash to accomplish one's goals such as attaining social success, Korean society is seriously lacking in consideration of other people.
by Yi-Young Cho and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (January 7, 2005)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2005010857368


Rotten to the Core?
Transparency International's "Corruption Perceptions Index 2003" lists Korea 10 places lower than what it was last year, meaning the country ranked 50th. According to a recent survey, as many as 90 percent of Korea's youth think they live in a country that's corrupt, and a considerable number of them say they're ready to join the club if the occasions calls for it later in life. Our society has become rotten to the core.
Chosun Ilbo
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200310/200310080034.html

78 Percent of Koreans Consider Corruption Level Serious
It was discovered that eight out of 10 Korean people view the level of corruption in the country as serious, and that the regional monopoly by a specific political party is the main reason of corruption.
Donga.com (June 17, 2005)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2005061709768

Discrimination
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200212/200212250002.html

Stingy image could hurt Korea in long run Foreign aid buys influence, experts say
by Brian Lee, JoomgAng Daily (May 02, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200505/01/200505012207497139900090409041.html
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