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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
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 Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:45 pm Post subject: Taleban mark 2! |
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Some whackjob local Islamist government in Nigeria has decided to ban women and men from travelling with each other on public transport. 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4719835.stm |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Mark 3?
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The constitution may turn controversial as reports emerged that it could curb the rights of Iraqi women, in line with Sharia religious law.
The New York Times has reported that the draft curtailed women��s rights, imposing Sharia law in personal matters like marriage, divorce and inheritance, and curbing their representation in Parliament.
It said legal rights for women would be guaranteed, providing they do not ��violate the Sharia��, meaning that Shiite women could not marry without their family��s permission and that husbands could divorce them simply by saying so out loud three times.
The constitution is an essential stage in Iraq��s transition after the March 2003 invasion and the fall of Saddam Hussein and preparations for the October 15 vote are already under way.
In the predominantly Sunnite regions participation in January was low after rebels called for a boycott of the vote. |
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Teufelswacht
Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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From last month....
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Driving ban stays for Saudi women
Voter registration billboards in Riyadh on Monday
Conservatives fear women will be allowed to mix freely
Saudi Arabia's interior minister has dismissed growing pressure to allow women to drive.
Prince Nayef bin Abdul-Aziz said the Muslim country had other priorities.
The kingdom imposes severe restrictions on women, including barring them from voting or going out in public unaccompanied by a male relative.
Prince Nayef said he was surprised when a member of the consultative Shura council proposed last month that the driving ban be lifted.
Mohammad al-Zulfa called for a gradual lifting of the ban, which the council declined to discuss.
"Does he understand what the priorities are?" Prince Nayef asked, in comments to the official Saudi Press Agency.
"We consider [the question] to be secondary, not a priority.
"These matters are decided according to the general good and what is dictated by women's honour, but I urge everybody to put a stop to this and not make an issue out of it that pits one group against another," he said.
Conservatives argue that if women were allowed to drive, they would be able to mix freely with men.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4089332.stm |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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There is an op-ed nearly every week it seems in the Arab News (Saudi english newspaper) about women driving there. I have yet to see one that supports the stupid ban.
No doubt those Nigerians got the idea from Saudi or some similar source. |
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Teufelswacht
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Some additional info...
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=38586&d=25&m=1&y=2004
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Women Driving Cars Is a Sinful Thing: Al-Qarni
Raid Qusti, Arab News Staff
Sheikh Ayed Al-Qarni
MAKKAH, 25 January 2004 — Sheikh Ayed Al-Qarni, the well-known Islamic scholar, has denied telling the press that it was permissible for women to drive cars in Saudi Arabia. Al-Qarni was responding to reports in Arab News and other papers published two weeks ago.
��I have recently stated that the issue of women not driving cars is not considered to be one of the basics of our religion. What I meant by that was that it is a subsidiary issue. The statement was used against me. It was then portrayed as if I had said it was permissible for women to drive cars in our country and this is something that is totally wrong,�� he told Al-Madinah newspaper.
The sheikh said he did not understand how his statement to the press could have been misused when he made it clear that he would not allow his own daughters or sisters to drive.
Al-Qarni also said he mentioned clearly that such an issue should be brought up with the relevant religious institution. What he meant, he said, was that the senior Islamic scholars in the Kingdom had already issued fatwas (religious edicts) saying that women driving cars was sinful and not permissible in Islam. ��My statements were misused. This is not the right way for those who search for the truth,�� he said. He set out four statements as clarification:
��One: I do not see women driving cars in our country because of the consequences that would spring from it such as the spread of corruption, women uncovering their hair and faces, mingling between the sexes, men being alone with women and the destruction of the family and society in whole.
��Two: Sadd Al-Dharaie principle (the closing of doors which could lead to corruption or sinful actions) is one of the values in our religion. Women driving cars is a sinful thing. It is used by those who want to wage a war against purity and hijab.
��Three: One of the principles of our religion is protecting honor and moral values. Women driving cars would threaten these principles because of the dire consequences resulting from it.
��Four: Such public issues must be brought up with the certified religious institution who have the say in such matters as I have said many times before.�� |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
There is an op-ed nearly every week it seems in the Arab News (Saudi english newspaper) about women driving there. I have yet to see one that supports the stupid ban.
No doubt those Nigerians got the idea from Saudi or some similar source. |
I agree, this is just a minor, temporary mistake in the wonderful, free, and peaceful world of islam. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| Be careful, you're getting mighty close to banning territory! |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:11 am Post subject: |
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Didn't you see "Thelma and Louise"?
Women + cars + desert don't mix. |
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goodbyekoreasale
Joined: 12 May 2005
Location: Yongsan, Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: Taleban mark 2! |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| Taleban mark 2 |
Gwangjuboy, any chance of checking your spelling before posting? T-A-L-I-B-A-N ... Taliban. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| one could argue it's like Busan/Pusan (ie different transliteration), although admittedly I've never seen it spelled talEban. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Taleban mark 2! |
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| goodbyekoreasale wrote: |
Gwangjuboy, any chance of checking your spelling before posting? T-A-L-I-B-A-N ... Taliban. |
Well if the "e" in Taliban is good enough for the BBC in one of its headlines then it's good enough for me.
Analysis: Who are the Taleban?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/144382.stm
In the mean time, do these quotes look familiar?
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| I visit the place above Burger King about once a month for waxing job |
As we have seen countless times on this board, spelling nazis are easily undone. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:27 am Post subject: Re: Taleban mark 2! |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
As we have seen countless times on this board, spelling nazis are easily undone. |
Brasilians, I'm told, spell it with a "z" so I'm thinking the poster you refer to might have met one or two ... just curious, have you ever?
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Didn't you see "Thelma and Louise"?
Women + cars + desert don't mix |
I recall driving driving all across Nevada with a woman, and memory serves, she was of ME extraction. It was a fine ride - we shared the driving, by the way - and there was not a single radio station the Camaro's scanner could find for about an hour and a half there along Interstate 80 headiung east from Sacramento.. The woman was intelligent and educated and she spoke from the heart and from a mind educated in Teheran, and later, the University of California ... and when the moment was best for silently contemplating only the sounds of air moving around the aerodynamic contours of one of GM's best products, she had wisdom enough to uhnderstand that moment as well. She did not abide by "the code" of Islam, and told me her father's only religion was physics, and I'd met the man already so I knew it was true.
It was a fine ride, I'll say it again - until the radio did finally lock onto a station as we drew close to Winnemucca.
"The Lawd COMMANDS you to HATE and DESPISE the HAWMAZEGUWAL fornicators and the INFIDEL HEATHENS who will turn our GREAT NATION into a CESSPOOL of FILTH and DISGUSTING PORNOGRAPHIC FILTH ..."
I recall shutting it off quickly, but not quite before the guy started asking for money ... I love my country, but there are days when I am simply too embarassed for words. That was one such day.
Actuallly, since Bush II came to power, such days as that are far too common lately. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Taleban mark 2! |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
Brasilians, I'm told, spell it with a "z" so I'm thinking the poster you refer to might have met one or two ... just curious, have you ever? |
I wasn't refering to the "z." It is only spelt with one "l" dumb dumb. |
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goodbyekoreasale
Joined: 12 May 2005
Location: Yongsan, Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:03 am Post subject: Re: Taleban mark 2! |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| Well if the "e" in Taliban is good enough for the BBC in one of its headlines then it's good enough for me. |
I suspect typo, nowhere else on the BBC is Taliban spelt like that.
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| In the mean time, do these quotes look familiar? |
Sure, but how about using meantime instead of "mean time?"
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| I visit the place above Burger King about once a month for waxing job |
Missing an "a," many apologies -- typo.
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| Brazillian |
Good catch, should have been one "l," my bad -- thanks.
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| As we have seen countless times on this board, spelling nazis are easily undone. |
Good point, but Nazis is with a capital "n."
"Meantime" and "Taliban" ... just concentrate on getting those two correct -- thanks dude. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:56 am Post subject: Re: Taleban mark 2! |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
| Actuallly, since Bush II came to power, such days as that are far too common lately. |
I agree. He has certainly brought all the liberal whackjobs to the surface. Their contortions and foaming at the mouth are truly an embarassment for the country I love. |
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