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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 1:56 am    Post subject: If the war happened tomorrow... Reply with quote

In a Gallup/Chosun Ilbo poll released Monday, two-thirds of South Koreans of military age, of both sexes, said they would side with the North in the event of war between the United States and North Korea.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/17/international/asia/17korea.html?oref=login

ouch! picking the DPRK over the good old US of A.

i suggest that all the student protesters who WANT to go to north korea, be SHIPPED to north korea. pack some kim-chee to go with that tree bark, you punkasses. haha!
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was there a poll option for 'side with South Korea'? Or was it NK vs US? A proper poll should be NK vs. ROK forces supported by the US. I think its safe to say that young Koreans would not willingly vote against themselves and their friends and brothers who have to suit up for this.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw that article, too. Startling.

However, if the question were presented in a real world context, with scenarios for why the war is occuring, the answers may well be different. Another war of conquest by the Norks is quite different from a US strike at the nuke plants.
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, it's true. there really is no conceivable situation in which NK would fight the USA without involving SK. and SKoreans wouldn't fight against SK would they? so the question is kinda whacked. but still.

edit--alright, there are some conceivable situations. but they're not likely at this point.
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IlIlNine



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo

PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

War WILL break out. What we will have then is South Korea, no longer being able to cling together cohesively, splitting into east korea and west korea (or perhaps middle and lower Korea).

The six party talks will turn into 7 party talks. People will remember the good ol' days of being able to go to Seorak-san. Life will go on.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

south korea will burn in flames! south korea will eventually win with the help of american and japan will help too and build a new friendship and new found respect.. and then korea will spend the next 30-50 years rebuilding itself again this time as one country!!
of course we will all be dying when korea becomes wealthy again..
im sure most of us will just leave..
becuase seriously this place will be a train wreck after 300.000 missles hit it!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In a Gallup/Chosun Ilbo poll released Monday, two-thirds of South Koreans of military age, of both sexes, said they would side with the North in the event of war between the United States and North Korea.


Imagine the look on their faces once they're overrun and told by Dear Leader they're not allowed to have internet access, play "decadent" video games, have mobile phones, or aspire to attend "elitist" universities anymore. Back to the fields you go!
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Imagine the look on their faces once they're overrun and told by Dear Leader they're not allowed to have internet access, play "decadent" video games, have mobile phones, or aspire to attend "elitist" universities anymore.


Yeah, wouldn't it be great if there were some way to set up high school 'youth exchanges' on a major scale. Too bad they'll never happen. Each side having a clear understanding of how the other side lives would be the surest way to seeing NK crumble.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its about time a war happened to these brats. Make them realise exactly whats what, once again. Instead of the protected bubble they're living in now.
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you honestly feel that way you should not be working anywhere near children, and you should be seeking professional help to deal with the serious issues you are displaying.

If you don't honestly feel that way then you're just trolling, aren't you?

Either way, it's hard to believe that anyone on this board will ever take anything you have to say seriously.
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i just think rapier, like many of us, thinks that the south koreans, especially the student protesters, are living in a dream world when it comes to north korea.

i was walking along in a university campus and i came across these two big signs, one on either side of the sidewalk. one sign was dedicated to america and had a bunch of unflattering pictures of bush and rice and rumsfeld and a bunch of rhetoric about how corrupt they are. and though i'm american, i guess that's cool, because they are pretty corrupt by my standards. but they other sign really bothered me. it was dedicated to north korea, and the title was "what is life like in north korea?" and it showed pictures of people having fun, playing games, bowling and so on. and sure, they do this, but where are the gulags? where are the emaciated children? for people to attack america is one thing, but to whitewash the story of such a murderous regime is just criminal. if south koreans are going to forget the stories of north korean refugees, the stories of torture and oppression, then who is going to remember them?

anyways, i'm not the first person to play this tune. but i guess its worth repeating.
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soviet_man



Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but they other sign really bothered me. it was dedicated to north korea, and the title was "what is life like in north korea?" and it showed pictures of people having fun, playing games, bowling and so on. and sure, they do this, but where are the gulags? where are the emaciated children? for people to attack america is one thing, but to whitewash the story of such a murderous regime is just criminal.




Every single day South Koreans gets bombarded with a flood of anti-DPRK indoctrination:

- The GNP.
- The ROK militsia machine.
- The bourgeois South Korean media.
- Elected ROK lawmakers.
- ROK academia.
- AFN.


In the larger scheme of things, seeing a few, isolated pro-DPRK signs is nothing - compared to the barrage of ROK propaganda that exists throughout the southern part of Korea.

The real whitewash is to believe people who uncritically slam the DPRK and then universally side with the alternative: the bleak reality of global capitalism.

Like every country, DPRK society has both positive and negative attributes. I do not however, think that it is so critically flawed that the south should be denied their right of hearing both perspectives.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imagine some Russian Soviets sitting in East Berlin in the sixties being shocked at the idea of their German comrades siding emotionally with West Germany.

We call them "South Koreans", they call themselves "Koreans". Expecting them to side with Americans over other Koreans is absurd from their perspective. Of course, from our perspective, it seems only logical.

Korea is a nation divided, and is so as a result of an agreement made by outside forces, the Americans being among them.

If I was Korean, I'd find the question pretty easy to answer too.
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase



Joined: 04 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
We call them "South Koreans", they call themselves "Koreans". Expecting them to side with Americans over other Koreans is absurd from their perspective. Of course, from our perspective, it seems only logical.


This is probably true as far as opinions are concerned. However, these opinions would have far more credibility if the *South* Koreans who hold them have a thorough understanding of the cultural and political differences between the two *distinct* nations.

If they believe that their own nation has been tainted by Western influence, and that the DPRK has retained its "cultural purity", then, well, they know best, don't they? Laughing
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
Imagine some Russian Soviets sitting in East Berlin in the sixties being shocked at the idea of their German comrades siding emotionally with West Germany.

We call them "South Koreans", they call themselves "Koreans". Expecting them to side with Americans over other Koreans is absurd from their perspective. Of course, from our perspective, it seems only logical.

Korea is a nation divided, and is so as a result of an agreement made by outside forces, the Americans being among them.

If I was Korean, I'd find the question pretty easy to answer too.


it's a good point, but i don't entirely agree.

I'll make this proposition: south koreans would feel more at home if they moved to america than they would if they moved to north korea.

it's an interesting idea. i don't know if i can fully back it up, but it makes you think.

a south korean with no make-up, no cell phone, and no food? i dunno. i figure if push came to shove the vast majority would choose the good old US of A, racism and imperialism and warts and all.
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