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Dr. Yeon Dong-su on FAN DEATH
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Cohiba



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 4:39 pm    Post subject: Dr. Yeon Dong-su on FAN DEATH Reply with quote

OK, here is a newspaper article featuring Dr. Dong:

In an e-mail interview with the IHT-JoongAng Daily, Dr. Yeon Dong-su, dean of Kwandong University's medical school, who has investigated some cases of "fan deaths," refuted some of the wilder theories but insisted fan deaths do occur.
"Many people say that these victims die from lack of oxygen, but that is not true," Dr. Yeon wrote. "Hypothermia does not only occur in the winter when it is cold. The symptoms can also take place if a person has been drinking and turns on a fan in a closed room. Most people wake up when they feel cold, but if you are drunk you will not wake up, even if your body temperature drops below 35 degrees Celsius (95 F), at which point you can die from hypothermia.
"It doesn't matter so much about the temperature of the room," he continued. "If it is completely sealed, then in the current of an electric fan, the temperature can drop low enough to cause a person to die of hypothermia."

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200409/22/200409222123324579900091009101.html

See also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_death
http://www.fandeath.net/
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a970912.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_death
http://www.answers.com/topic/fan-death
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol
How does air circulating around a room lower the room temperature?

It doesnt.

A room with a temperature of 30 degrees will maintain that 30 degrees with a fan on or not. There is a slight(emphasis on slight) cooling factor with a fan due to the evaporation process on your skin.

Stating that a fan will lower the room temperature is stupid, ludicrous and just plain wrong.

Cohiba...posting stupidity by stupid people does not make a fallicy fact.

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We consulted with Lieutenant Colonel Dave Hause, a deputy medical examiner with the U.S. Army Medical Corps. (Colonel Hause speaks for himself, by the way, not the Defense Department.) He writes:

If I had a 16-year-old die in a room at 86 degrees Fahrenheit in the presence of an electric fan, I'd strongly suggest an electrical check on the fan [possible electrocution]. Then I would be sure my toxicology studies were thorough [to check for poisons and drugs], that I had extensive microscopic examination [to check for disease], that the heart and brain were further examined by specialists [for abnormalities], and that assorted microbiologic studies had been done.

If all these came out negative, I'd ask the investigative service to go back through the history again, on the assumption that the 'suffocation' was assisted. Of course, if the room was sealed well enough and the fan drew enough power, I suppose it could heat the room enough to kill. But then there ought to be an elevated core [body] temperature to support the diagnosis of heat stroke, not suffocation.

So nice to hear from a guy who knows what he's doing. Maybe someday Koreans will get the same chance.
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funplanet



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a drop in body temperature of 1-3 degrees WILL NOT CAUSE DEATH!

STOP THE FAN DEATH NONSENSE!!!!
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gord Giesbrecht, a physical education professor at the University of Manitoba in Canada, is a leading expert on hypothermia.
��It's hard to imagine [death by fan], because to die of hypothermia, [one's body temperature] would have to get down to 28, drop by 10 degrees overnight. We've got people lying in snowbanks overnight here in Winnipeg and they survive. Maybe if someone was elderly and they were sitting there for three days [in a sealed room with an electric fan turned on]. Someone is not going to die from hypothermia because their body temperature drops two or three degrees overnight; it would have to drop eight to 10 degrees."

Dr. John Linton at Yonsei's Severance Hospital, who attended medical school at Yonsei University, is the only non-Korean licensed to practice medicine in South Korea.
"There are several things that could be causing the fan deaths, things like pulmonary embolisms, cerebrovascular accidents or arrhythmia. There is little scientific evidence to support that a fan alone can kill you if are using it in a sealed room. Although it is a common belief among Koreans, there are other explainable reasons for why these deaths are happening."

Dr. Lee Yoon-song is a professor at Seoul National University's medical school and works with the school's Institute of Scientific Investigation. He has conducted autopsies on some of the people who have been described in Korean media as having succumbed to fan death.
"When someone's body temperature drops below 35 degrees, they do start to lose judgment ability. So if someone was hiking and later found dead, that could be part of the reason. But we can't really apply this to fan accidents. I found most of the victims already had some sort of disease like heart problems or serious alcoholism. So hypothermia is not the main reason for death, but it may contribute."

Dr. Lee Yoon-song blamed the Korean media for the persistence of the urban legend.
"Korean reporters are constantly writing inaccurate articles about death by fan, describing these deaths as being caused by the fan. That's why it seems that fan deaths only happen in Korea, when in reality these types of deaths are quite rare. They should have reported the victim's original defects such as heart or lung disease, which are the main cause of death [in these cases]. If a Western doctor investigated these deaths, he would say what really caused the death, and say that a fan was beside the victim."
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cubanlord



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THANK YOU GROTTO! We tell cohiba to post a credible source from outside of this country and what does he do......POSTS UP A SOURCE FROM WITHIN THIS COUNTRY....WHERE THE FAN DEATH STORY ORIGINATED.

AS I STATED BEFORE, show me credible evidence from an outside propective.

hahahaha...now we KNOW COHIBA IS FULL OF IT......DR. DONG....pardon the pun in all of this.
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animalbirdfish



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cubanlord wrote:
THANK YOU GROTTO! We tell cohiba to post a credible source from outside of this country and what does he do......POSTS UP A SOURCE FROM WITHIN THIS COUNTRY....WHERE THE FAN DEATH STORY ORIGINATED.

AS I STATED BEFORE, show me credible evidence from an outside propective.

hahahaha...now we KNOW COHIBA IS FULL OF IT......DR. DONG....pardon the pun in all of this.



"So Koreans are stupid?" my relatively enlightened girlfriend asked me.

"No, but 'gullible' wouldn't be inaccurate," I said.

I would love to see some non-Korean sources supporting this fan death idea, but it's unlikely to happen anytime soon. Neither are Koreans likely to relinquish their fears of The Killer Fan. Even the few who don't swallow the myth still get jumpy when you try to put them in a room with the windows closed and fan running (see: aforementioned gf). Trying to have a logical discussion on the matter with most Koreans is futile, rather like trying to convince Korean kids that the average human gestation period is nine months and not ten.

I think the school system in Korea - coupled with adherence to the dubious wisdom of one's elders - kills 99% of a person's ability to question what is said and what happens around that person. Korean Teachers and parents don't, on average, hold the Socratic method and other such forms of critical intellectual inquiry in high regard. Some entrepreneurial person ought to see about importing some Crap Detectors for Korean students.

But, in the interest of research, I ran a search on Yahoo News for "fan death," just to see what would come up. Surprisingly, there were quite a number of recent incidents related to this matter. Unfortuantely for the believers of Korean-style fan death, all the queried news stories involved Limp Bizkit and the wrong kind of fan.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: Dr. Yeon Dong-su on FAN DEATH Reply with quote

Cohiba wrote:
OK, here is a newspaper article featuring Dr. Dong:

In an e-mail interview with the IHT-JoongAng Daily, Dr. Yeon Dong-su, dean of Kwandong University's medical school, who has investigated some cases of "fan deaths," refuted some of the wilder theories but insisted fan deaths do occur.
"Many people say that these victims die from lack of oxygen, but that is not true," Dr. Yeon wrote. "Hypothermia does not only occur in the winter when it is cold. The symptoms can also take place if a person has been drinking and turns on a fan in a closed room. Most people wake up when they feel cold, but if you are drunk you will not wake up, even if your body temperature drops below 35 degrees Celsius (95 F), at which point you can die from hypothermia.
"It doesn't matter so much about the temperature of the room," he continued. "If it is completely sealed, then in the current of an electric fan, the temperature can drop low enough to cause a person to die of hypothermia."

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200409/22/200409222123324579900091009101.html

See also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_death
http://www.fandeath.net/
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a970912.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_death
http://www.answers.com/topic/fan-death


Your wikipedia citation lists five medical experts commenting on fan death. You quote the only one who actually believes in fan death. The other four quotes call it so much bunko.

You're either trolling or you're such a moron you can't even read the URLs you've researched.
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yemanja



Joined: 29 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before AirCon season, I slept with the fan on.
I remember waking up surprisingly cold a few times.

I didn't die though
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AdamH



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:42 am    Post subject: Re: Dr. Yeon Dong-su on FAN DEATH Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:

You're either trolling or you're such a moron you can't even read the URLs you've researched.


Yeah, but you're missing the point.

He's got Jeremy Brett as his avatar, and you haven't.
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Imbroglio



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not the fan, it's the air in Korea. The air contains tiny particles that are invisible to the human eye, and it is this dust combined with the the flow of the air at certian temperatures that causes these mysterious deaths only in Korea. Didn't you guys know that??
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yemanja



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imbroglio wrote:
It's not the fan, it's the air in Korea. The air contains tiny particles that are invisible to the human eye, and it is this dust combined with the the flow of the air at certian temperatures that causes these mysterious deaths only in Korea. Didn't you guys know that??


I knew that, but I thought Kimchi helped to combat it
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itaewonguy



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Dr. Yeon Dong-su, dean of Kwandong University's medical school,

guess he applied to an american UNI with his findings on fan death and never got the call back!! so KWANDONG took him!
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mishlert



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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. . . Dr. Yeon Dong-su went on to say that beacuse of certain ingredients, which are to remain secret, kimchi is the cure-all everyone claims it to be.
Laughing

Please, I have slept in rooms drunk, sober, buzzed, etc, and the windows and doors were closed, while the fans were running. It's a Korean urban legend, and people like this doctor perpetuate it by trying to link fan to deaths that were caused by hypothermia. Hell, we could also blame aircons, as they actually do lower the temperature in a room, and if you're too drunk to wake up, well, you know the rest.
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the eye



Joined: 29 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

we laugh at the stupidity of fan death, but how many of you were taught never to go swimming after eating a meal?


i watched a 20/20 show and they tried to get a test group of 30 people (varied ages) to do just that. each one of them flatly refused even after a medical doctor told them it was just a myth.

they all thought they would get cramps and sink to the bottom.......
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mishlert



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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they all thought they would get cramps and sink to the bottom

I was told that I would get cramps. I have since gone swimming after eating and of course, no cramps.
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