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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 9:41 pm Post subject: Smearing Cindy Sheehan |
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Conservatives are attacking her as a dupe of the left who�s exploiting her dead son. Some relatives have piled on too. But the grieving mother says her well-timed Crawford visit is "my idea, my mission, my vision."
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August was supposed to have been a quiet month for George W. Bush. Last year, the president cut short his customary weekslong vacation in order to campaign for reelection, so this year, unencumbered, he'd planned to spend more than a month in the sweltering heat of his ranch in Crawford, Texas. Then, last week, Cindy Sheehan, a grieving Northern California woman whose son was killed in Baghdad, Iraq in April 2004, showed up on Bush's vacation doorstep. She refuses to leave until Bush meets her in person. Nothing's been quiet in Crawford ever since.
It wouldn't be quite right to say that Sheehan's stand has vaulted the war back to the forefront of the national consciousness. Fresh horrors in Iraq daily are enough for that. But Sheehan is clearly forcing Bush to personally and publicly confront the consequences of his choices. And she's forcing reporters to pay attention, too. On Thursday, Bush was asked to respond to Sheehan's protest. "I sympathize with Mrs. Sheehan," Bush said. "She feels strongly about her position. She has every right in the world to say what she believes. This is America." But Bush also said that he disagrees with those Americans, like Sheehan, who want U.S. troops to pull out from Iraq. And he didn't suggest he'd be meeting with Sheehan anytime soon, either.
Sheehan insists that she's prepared to wait until Bush changes his mind. Sheehan, a founder of Gold Star Families for Peace, an antiwar group composed of families of troops killed in Iraq, has always been vocal in her opposition to the war. She participated in many rallies during the election last year, and even starred in an anti-Bush ad for MoveOn.org. She says that her late son Casey, a 24-year-old Army specialist who was killed in a rocket attack just two weeks after getting to the battlefield, felt the same way. And just as Casey went to Iraq to do his duty, Cindy Sheehan says she's got to take a stand in Crawford to do hers.
As a matter of politics, Sheehan's stand is brilliant. Bush's chief political asset is his embrace of the troops and their families; the longer he refuses to meet with Sheehan, the more unconcerned -- and even callous -- Bush risks looking to the public. And by providing a genuine news event in the hot, sleepy confines of Crawford, she's gotten far more media attention than she garnered as the star of a MoveOn ad. She's been profiled in dozens of papers and hailed in a New York Times editorial. Consequently, she's also been smeared by the right. Pundits have pointed out Sheehan's apparent inconsistencies -- in the past, she said that she believed Bush cares about the troops who've died, and she spoke warmly of a brief visit with the president after Casey's death that she now recalls as insincere and impersonal. All this week Matt Drudge has hammered on Sheehan, publicizing criticism by some of her family members, who say they support Bush and the war. On the Tuesday edition of his show, Fox host Bill O'Reilly said Sheehan's behavior "borders on treasonous."
Conservatives have assailed Sheehan for her association with Michael Moore (she has been blogging on Moore's Web site) and the antiwar group Code Pink. Some depict her as the left's dupe, but Sheehan insists she came up with the idea for the Crawford visit on her own. In a telephone conversation with Salon on Friday afternoon, Sheehan explained her inconsistencies and defended her association with Moore and others on the left. Just before the call, Bush's motorcade sped by "Camp Casey," which is what Sheehan calls the protest stand she's erected in her son's memory. The cars didn't even slow down.
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Was it her son's decision to join the military? Was it her son's decision not to file for concientious objector status when sent to Iraq? If so, her son acted of his own free will and paid the price.
Her time would be better spent at recruiting stations and high schools. |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Hank Scorpio
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:08 am Post subject: |
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I can't even imagine what she's going through as a mother, so I'm not going to attack her. The people using her, though, like Michael Moore are displaying the level of class we've come to expect from them.
Maybe she should respect the fact that her son was a grown man, enlisted willingly into a job he knew was dangerous, and gave his life in the service of his country. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:32 am Post subject: |
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When a young man or woman volunteers to serve in the nation�s military, both they and their families know the risk and accept the sacrifice as a necessary one. But the underlying assumption is the trust that the government will not risk the sacrifice lightly or fraudulently. Ms Sheehan�s presence in Crawford is asking the most powerful moral question possible. Was her son sacrificed for a �good� cause, or was it done lightly or, even worse, in service of a deliberate lie.
It is vile to say she is being �used�. Claiming that she is being used is attempting to change the question and shows just as much disrespect as if you attack her directly. If the invasion of Iraq was based on a mistake, it would be tragic. If it was based on a lie, it would be criminal. As the mother of a slain soldier, she deserves an honest answer. |
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Hank Scorpio
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| As the mother of a slain soldier, she deserves an honest answer. |
Did Lincoln, FDR or Truman owe a sitdown to the parent of every soldier, sailor, airman, or marine killed in battle? If so, I don't think one person could really do the job.
And this woman is being used, and using her users to further her own agenda, namely that the dreaded Jews run the world:
"my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel."
It should be the policy of the US president not to waste his time with people whose principle motivation is thinly disguised Jew hatred. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Did Lincoln, FDR or Truman |
No one suspected Lincoln and Truman of tailoring information to start a war. Only the whack jobs suspected FDR of it.
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| principle motivation is thinly disguised Jew hatred. |
That's just a cheap shot. She didn't say Jew; she said Israel. It's perfectly acceptable (or should be) to disagree with the US policy vis a vis Israel without being accused of Jew-baiting.
Could it be that you also think Bush & Co. lied? That would explain why you would stoop so low. |
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Hank Scorpio
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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That's just a cheap shot. She didn't say Jew; she said Israel. It's perfectly acceptable (or should be) to disagree with the US policy vis a vis Israel without being accused of Jew-baiting. |
Are you a child? You get her inference just as I do. It's the same line of bullshit you hear from cranks on C-Span every damned morning, and it's the same nonsense you hear from every leftist jackhole when attacking some thinktank member with a Jewish name. Somehow along the line the term "neo-con" became an epithet that roughly translates into "scheming, hooknosed Jew".
I find it curious how the left still likes to call conservatives fascists when you've become appeasers for actual fascists and promote antisemitism in every possible venue you can reach.
You people are scum. Traitorous scum. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Hank Scorpio wrote: |
And this woman is being used, and using her users to further her own agenda, namely that the dreaded Jews run the world:
"my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel." |
Do you have a link? I'd like to read that in the context it was said.
It certainly sounds like thinly disguised anti-Semitism, but if that's openly her angle I'm surprised that Michael Moore has aligned himself with her. Yes, I know that's probably sending you into a fit of hysterical giggling, but a link would be nice just the same. |
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Hank Scorpio
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Do you have a link? I'd like to read that in the context it was said. |
Google knows all... Here's the copy of the email she sent to ABC's Nightline:
Email to Nightline
You can also copy and paste that quote I posted into Google and it'll take you to a number of sites, both right and left, confirming that those are her words.
The woman's a Jew hating conspiracy theorist. |
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lunalilo
Joined: 11 May 2005
Location: somewhere in-between
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Did Lincoln, FDR or Truman |
No one suspected Lincoln and Truman of tailoring information to start a war. Only the whack jobs suspected FDR of it.
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| principle motivation is thinly disguised Jew hatred. |
That's just a cheap shot. She didn't say Jew; she said Israel. It's perfectly acceptable (or should be) to disagree with the US policy vis a vis Israel without being accused of Jew-baiting.
Could it be that you also think Bush & Co. lied? That would explain why you would stoop so low. |
Why is it a cheap shot when Israel is the only "Jewish" state in the world?
So, in your logic, Korea bashing isn't the same thing as Korean bashing?
Or, when you say Korea should get out of Dokdo, you're not implying Koreans should get out of Dokdo? 
My goodness, you're so naive to think that she would come right out and say "Jews" should get out of Palestine, right? I sure she has her left-wing handlers have enough sense to prepped her to not appear to be blatantly anti-Jew. |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Somehow along the line the term "neo-con" became an epithet that roughly translates into "scheming, hooknosed Jew". |
For the some of those nuts on the far right it has. However, most Jews aren't neo-cons. More Jews voted Democrat in the last election. So it just does not make any sense. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| lunalilo wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| Did Lincoln, FDR or Truman |
No one suspected Lincoln and Truman of tailoring information to start a war. Only the whack jobs suspected FDR of it.
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| principle motivation is thinly disguised Jew hatred. |
That's just a cheap shot. She didn't say Jew; she said Israel. It's perfectly acceptable (or should be) to disagree with the US policy vis a vis Israel without being accused of Jew-baiting.
Could it be that you also think Bush & Co. lied? That would explain why you would stoop so low. |
Why is it a cheap shot when Israel is the only "Jewish" state in the world?
So, in your logic, Korea bashing isn't the same thing as Korean bashing?
Or, when you say Korea should get out of Dokdo, you're not implying Koreans should get out of Dokdo?
My goodness, you're so naive to think that she would come right out and say "Jews" should get out of Palestine, right? I sure she has her left-wing handlers have enough sense to prepped her to not appear to be blatantly anti-Jew. |
Anti-war sentiment has been stronger amongst American Jews than Americans in general. It is a cheap shot against the majority of reasonable Jews I know to imply that Likudist Israel represents their interests, much less their religion or ethnicity. |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Good point. The Likud party does not represent all of Judaism. Unfortunately some of those who support the opposition Labor party have been called 'self-loating Jews'. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Anti-war sentiment has been stronger amongst American Jews than Americans in general. |
Too bad congress doesn't represent america then. Every Jewish Senator (perhaps rep. as well, IDK) minus barbara boxer and wellstone (RIP) voted in favor of the war in iraq. |
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