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Why are there no "Blackouts" in Korea?
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plattwaz



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:25 pm    Post subject: Why are there no "Blackouts" in Korea? Reply with quote

This could be a really really silly question that does nothing but show my ignorance about a lot of things, but I'll risk it and ask anyway --

In the hot summers in Canada, there are always news reports and public information telling people to conserve energy - most Cdns will remember the balckout suffered through most of Ontario 2 years ago that left the area power-less. There have been smaller ones in Ottawa this year and in other places in the country.

The culprit is usually over-consumption - air conditioners, fans, general increase in electricity usage, causing the power grid to fail.

So my question is this -- when I look around Seoul I see buildings that run A/C 24 hours a day, signs that are lit up all night, and then of course, the fact that with twice the population of Canada there is much more general energy consumption.

But yet, I don't *think* Korea produces much of it's own energy - certainly not hydro-electric, right? Then why are there no black-outs in Korea, or any big pushes to have consumers decrease their energy usage? What are they doing here that is different from how energy is produced/used in Canada? How is it that the Korean power-grids down't fail, leaving half of Seoul in hot sweaty darkness for 3 days at a time?
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They turn off their fans and air-conditioners before going to sleep.

Sparkles*_*
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Dispatched



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea has 10 Hydro plants and 4 nuclear plants.

I would guess Korea's electricity is so well wired together (small area, lots of consumers) that a fault in one area can be easily bipassed.

Korea's power plant locations
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Putting up your infrastructure later than everyone else ends up giving you the advantage of having more modern one.
220 is a better system than 110.
Plus there is less of a distribution issue (shorter distances, less lines, therefore less line problems).
Lots of other obvious issues too, but that's a good start.
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fidel



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dispatched wrote:
Korea has 10 Hydro plants and 4 nuclear plants.

I would guess Korea's electricity is so well wired together (small area, lots of consumers) that a fault in one area can be easily bipassed.

Korea's power plant locations


4? Guess again my friend, more like 20 NPPs!

http://www.emptywells.com/Article339.htm

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/biz/200508/kt2005081120243111880.htm
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Pyongshin Sangja



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canada provides lots of electricity to the Americans, too. South Korea, so far, just has to meet national needs and have a surplus, I hear. After they start bribing the Norks perhaps they will have less of a surplus.
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Grotto



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No blackouts? Shocked
There are tons of blackouts in Korea every year Exclamation
















Of course i'm talking about soju induced blackouts Wink
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crazylemongirl



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must live in a bad area as we've had several blackout here during the summer
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

South Korea has an energy surplus....
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peppermint



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazylemongirl wrote:
I must live in a bad area as we've had several blackout here during the summer


Might be the building again, because aside from one outage filled day that fried my computer, I haven't noticed any.
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matthews_world



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where are the NPPs located in Korea? I've not yet seen one in more than 2 years on the peninsula. Would they happen to be near U.S. military instilations. A huge leak or 2 would prompt our servicemen in leaving the peninsula quickly.
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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:34 am    Post subject: Re: Why are there no "Blackouts" in Korea? Reply with quote

plattwaz wrote:
...most Cdns will remember the balckout suffered through most of Ontario 2 years ago that left the area power-less.....The culprit is usually over-consumption

The culprit is privatization. Blackouts increased considerably after private companies were relied on to buy and sell power on the open market for general public consumption. It's just more economical to do without than pay exorbant rates for these companies, and there's a lack of incentive to increase purchases when demand outstrips supply.

The system is headed for many more such problems in the years ahead. It is not a technological problem, it's an ecomomic one, and relatively recent one. I experienced NO blackouts due to summer demand surges while growing up. Now it's a "fact" of life in many places. Sad, but cheaper overall.

I have no idea what sort of system Korea has of providing power to the public. Of course, private companies buy their power from utility companies, as they do most places. But public utility may just be a government-provided service, as many believe it should be, as an essential service on par with the water supply.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe we have stumbled across an area where Korea is just superior. Could that be?
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

matthews_world wrote:
Where are the NPPs located in Korea? I've not yet seen one in more than 2 years on the peninsula.



They are stacked at 4 sights seen on the map above..

There are 13 in operation and 5 under construction
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fidel



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
matthews_world wrote:
Where are the NPPs located in Korea? I've not yet seen one in more than 2 years on the peninsula.



They are stacked at 4 sights seen on the map above..

There are 13 in operation and 5 under construction


Pay attention people, there are 20, I REPEAT 20 NPP's operating in SK!
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