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joe_doufu



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:55 pm    Post subject: donations from other countries to Katrina victims Reply with quote

Shameful: Only 25 Nations Offer Help to the U.S.
Stewart Stogel, NewsMax.com
Friday, Sept. 2, 2005
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/9/2/121038.shtml

When the Indian Ocean tsunami devastated many nations across Asia in December, the United States rushed to the aid of victims by pledging hundreds of millions of dollars in assistance – just as it has offered aid whenever a natural disaster strikes in another country.

Now the U.S. is facing a catastrophe of its own from Hurricane Katrina.

Though the U.N.'s own top official for disaster relief has called Katrina one of "the largest, most destructive natural disasters ever," shamefully only a handful of nations – at last count just 25 nations of the 191 countries in the United Nations – have come forward to offer assistance.

And almost none have offered what America has so often provided: money.

And the aid so far offered by foreign nations amounts to a drop in the bucket considering the anticipated multi-billion-dollar cost of dealing with the immediate crisis and the reconstruction to follow.

President Bush has urged Americans to send cash donations to private relief organizations rather than in-kind contributions such as clothing and food.

The same could be applied to foreign nations, most of which have been on the receiving end of massive financial assistance from then U.S. over the years.

President Bush told ABC-TV Thursday morning: "I'm not expecting much from foreign nations because we hadn't asked for it. I do expect a lot of sympathy and perhaps some will send cash dollars.

"We would love help, but we're going to take care of our own business as well, and there's no doubt in my mind we'll succeed."

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has decided that "no offer that can help alleviate the suffering of the people in the afflicted area will be refused," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said.

The American ��Tsunami'

The offers of assistance so far pale in comparison to the aid pledged by the U.S. for tsunami relief, including $346 million from the U.S. Agency for International Development and the Defense Department for their relief efforts, $339 million for reconstruction and $168 million to help victims with food, shelter, housing and education.

In addition, a private fund-raising campaign led by former Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton brought in more than $1 billion for tsunami victims.

In fact, at least one-third of American households have donated money to an aid group in tsunami-hit nations.

Now the U.S. is trying to deal with the "American tsunami."

U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan acknowledged the extent of the disaster, saying through a spokesman: "The damage is far worse than any of us imagined at first. The American people – who have always been the most generous in responding to disasters in other parts of the world – have now themselves suffered a grievous blow."

But he went on to add: "Of course the United States is also the country in the world best prepared to cope with such a disaster."

While Annan has not spoken directly with President Bush, he did meet with America's U.N. ambassador John Bolton to convey the U.N.'s readiness to help.

While it is true that America indeed is a wealthy nation, a sentiment of help and support would be appropriate and courteous. Apparently, most nations do not believe in courtesy.

Of the nations that have offered assistance to the U.S., few have offered money. China, for example, presented $100,000 to the American Red Cross.

Russia has offered boats and aircraft. On Wednesday, Russian president Vladimir Putin offered to send a group of military special forces specializing in search and rescue to the region. That offer was rejected by the State Department.

Japan has promised tents, blankets and generators. Even France offered a fire brigade.

Germany is willing to provide communications equipment. Israel, which receives $2.2 billion in U.S. aid each year, has offered to send doctors, nurses, technicians and other experts in dealing with natural disasters, as well as field hospitals and medical kits.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, a vocal critic of the U.S., made a mocking offer to send cheap fuel and relief workers to the stricken area.

At about the same time he used the disaster as an opportunity to attack President Bush, calling him a "cowboy" who failed to manage the disaster.

Other nations that have offered some form of aid include Mexico, Canada, Jamaica, Honduras, the UK, Greece, the Netherlands, South Korea, Switzerland, Colombia, the United Arab Emirates and Australia.

"They're the most powerful, wealthiest country in the world, but when something like this strikes, the poor and the vulnerable are the same all around the world," said Australian Prime Minister John Howard.

Ingratitude

One nation not on the list is oil-rich Kuwait, which owes its very existence to America's liberation effort following Iraq's invasion.

In fact, a high-ranking Kuwaiti official has said Hurricane Katrina was sent by Allah, adding that "disaster will keep striking the unbelievers."

No matter how much foreign aid does arrive in the U.S., it's clear that America will have to shoulder almost all the financial burden in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

The size of that burden became clear when President Bush asked Congress for an initial appropriation of $10 billion. Officials say the total cost of dealing with the reconstruction will be as high as $50 billion.

Meanwhile, the U.S. could find itself with a new security nightmare.

As the Pentagon prepares to send as many as 50,000 troops to the disaster region, the White House must also find the manpower for the U.N.'s special summit, due to convene in New York on September 12.

More than 150 heads of state are expected to attend.

One topic slated for discussion is progress in relief for victims of the Indian Ocean tsunami.

Said one U.N. official: "Now we have something new to add to the agenda."

In addition to Katrina, one topic the U.N. might include on their agenda: ingratitude.

Nations That Have Offered Katrina Hurricane Aid:

Russia
Japan
Canada
France
Honduras
Germany
Venezuela
Jamaica
Australia
UK/Northern Ireland
Netherlands
Switzerland
Greece
Hungary
Colombia
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Mexico
China
South Korea
Israel
United Arab Emirates
Taiwan
Sri Lanka
Singapore
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People who have refused Canadian aid:

George Bush


People who wisely told him to smarten up and accept the aid:

Condoleeza Rice
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joe_doufu



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's face it, the US is like the Daddy and the rest of the world's nations are like teenagers. They expect us to protect them from bullies, rescue them if they get too far in debt with that new credit card, and help them out in emergencies. They'll take our money every time we offer it, and regularly ask us for it when we don't offer, all the while they're bad mouthing us to their friends. But when we're in need, the most they'll do is make puppy dog eyes and hand over their piggy bank with a grand total of four dollars in it.

This kind of relationship only serves to legitimize US dominance in world affairs and our authority to do things like invade Iraq. If we're the parent, why shouldn't we be able to punish the bad children when necessary? Now the UN, or the EU, or even Japan or China could step up and start to behave like equals instead of indignant teenagers, and this would be a fine opportunity for them to do so, but I guess it's clear they won't.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going to ignore what I just wrote? Bush's initial reaction was that he didn't need the help. Now that he's realized what a disaster it is more nations are lining up.

BTW, why do you have a different list from mine? Here's what I found. More than 25.

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Cuba and Venezuela have offered to help despite political differences. The list also includes Saudi Arabia, Dominica, Russia, France, Japan, China, El Salvador, Israel, Paraguay, the U.K., the United Arab Emirates, the Netherlands, Honduras, Germany, Venezuela, Jamaica, Australia, Switzerland, Greece, Hungary, Columbia, The Dominican Republic, Mexico, South Korea, New Zealand, Guatemala, Belgium, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Italy, Guyana, Indonesia, Austria, Lithuania, Spain, Norway and the Bahamas.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whhoooaaa there joe.......25 countries have already offered assistance, and others might soon enough....you can't expect every single country to jump out and immediately offer assistance to the richest country in the world when they can't even afford to feed or vaccinate their children.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, your news site sucks. The initial pledge from the US was 20 million, wasn't it? This sentence is a bit of a fabrication:

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the United States rushed to the aid of victims by pledging hundreds of millions of dollars in assistance
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i hope the US learns from this, and in the future, screws over the people in need who didn't offer anything.
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joe_doufu



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
Going to ignore what I just wrote? Bush's initial reaction was that he didn't need the help. Now that he's realized what a disaster it is more nations are lining up.


Uh, i didn't think it was particularly controversial. It sounds like it might have happened that way. Condi is a smart woman, I hope Jeb makes her VP next term.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RachaelRoo wrote:
Whhoooaaa there joe.......25 countries have already offered assistance, and others might soon enough....you can't expect every single country to jump out and immediately offer assistance to the richest country in the world when they can't even afford to feed or vaccinate their children.


Japan, China, and the EU are rich countries that could easily put a few bucks together. The poor countries could help us by means of the UN.

There is a concept called "friendship" which exists in some countries I've visited. The concept is, I do nice things when you're in need, you don't have to ask me, and you do nice things for me when I'm in need, I shouldn't have to ask. The people who say "If you were really my friend, I wouldn't have to give you any aid." are not real friends, screw em.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylde wrote:
i hope the US learns from this, and in the future, screws over the people in need who didn't offer anything.


*sigh* you know we wouldn't do that though
i really do feel like we're the parents of 300 teenagers
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She's doing good in her role so far. The problem with Bush's first rejection of Canadian aid is that Canada is the country that is most able to help out the US when things like this happen. Canada's where the airplanes were able to land on 9-11 for example and the place where those passengers spent a few days until the airspace was back. Now, the rest of the world usually looks at that to see what they should do. If the US is getting Canada's help then other countries begin to think about what they should do as well. Refusing the aid at the start sent out a confusing message as if they aren't interested in Canadian aid they definately aren't going to want it from Kuwait.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Israel, which receives $2.2 billion in U.S. aid each year, has offered to send doctors, nurses, technicians and other experts in dealing with natural disasters, as well as field hospitals and medical kits.


unbelievable
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Paji eh Wong



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Katrina vs the Tsunami is a weak comparison because of:

1) Magnitude. The Tsunami death toll stands at 150 000.

2) Power. Are you really comparing India, Sri Lanka and Indonesia to the USA?

As a final point.

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This kind of relationship only serves to legitimize US dominance in world affairs and our authority to do things like invade Iraq. If we're the parent, why shouldn't we be able to punish the bad children when necessary?


And you wonder why you're not getting the response you want?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the bit about Israel was a bit interesting as well. Kind of like buying your mom a gift with the allowance they gave you. Nevertheless they're always a staunch supporter of the US in the Middle East so they can't be accused of ingratitude.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
Actually, your news site sucks. The initial pledge from the US was 20 million, wasn't it? This sentence is a bit of a fabrication:

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the United States rushed to the aid of victims by pledging hundreds of millions of dollars in assistance


Yes, thank you for pointing it out, that statistic was wrong. In fact the number is over two billion. See USAID's site for the (>1billion) amount committed by the government, and surf through the site to the part where you read that private donors, too, contributed more than a billion.
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