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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:39 pm    Post subject: A Question for Christians and Muslims? Reply with quote

How do you coincide the following. I was listening to the President of Iran as he ended a speech, he made this statement.

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" last Prophet Muhammad" (peace be upon him"


It comes from the following:



Quote:
Believe and obey the One true God and obey His messengers.
Jesus (peace be on him) was the second-last prophet of God. He foretold the coming of the last Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him). While the mission of the earlier messengers was generally limited to their own communities, prophet Muhammad's message and mission is universal and timeless till the end of this world.



Now consider this with the following quote:

Quote:
3: But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort."


Understandably its not the easiest to read, it is King James english. But the King James version says that Prophets are meant to promote understanding, exhort one to greater effect and comfort others through their words. There are better translations, the King James was easiest to find.

How are we to coincide one view that a prophet is anyone who speaks the word of God to benefit peoples growth or the Church's growth and another who says after Muhammad, there are no more prophets.

This is just a question for those who consider themselves practicing Christians or Muslims on this forum. It is their opinion I am interested in hearing from and understanding, as both claim to be signposts of the Originator of both of these messages.
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A writing of a person, that I feels maybe explains the passage better than I can.

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On the other hand, he who prophesies speaks to men for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation. (1 Corinthians 14:3 RSV)

Prophesying, as we have already said, is basically the explaining and expounding of the mind of God. Calvin called it "the peculiar gift of explaining revelation." It is applying the world view of God to the circumstances of men, so that men begin to see what is happening in their lives in terms of what God understands them to be, as different from the illusions and fantasies and mistaken concepts of the world around them. That is the business of prophesying. It is a very needed gift in our day as well, because it has, as Paul says, a threefold effect:

First, it builds people up. The word is oikodomen in the Greek, oiko means "house," and domen means "to build." To build a house on a solid foundation is the idea; and the work of prophesying then gives people a foundation. One of the major problems among Christians today is the struggle they have with the sense of their true identity. Many people are emotionally torn apart because they do not understand the revelation of the Word of God that they are new creatures in Christ Jesus; they are no longer what they once were. Because they still get feelings of being what they once were, they believe those feelings, and they react accordingly. There is an up-and-down experience that they can never get away from. But prophesying corrects that. It teaches us who we are in Christ. That is why it is so needed in our day, as it was needed here in Corinth.

The second thing prophesying does is strengthen people. This is the word from which we get the word paraclete, one of the titles of the Holy Spirit. He is the strengthener of God's people. It means to support and encourage; it is "one called alongside," that is the literal meaning of the term, to support you and steady you and strengthen you.

The third ministry of prophesying is that of comforting; it comforts. Still a third Greek word is used here, paramuthian, which means, basically, to empathize, to put yourself in the place of others, to understand the pressures they are under. It means to be able to feel with them and be able, then, to encourage them with the fact that you know how they feel, you have been there, but God is working it out with them as he worked it out with you. That is what the word of prophesying is inclined to do. We have all had the experience of listening to a text of Scripture expounded, and it seemed to speak right to our basic problem.
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kermo



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prophets of the Old Testament were notoriously unpopular for their gloomy threats, refusal to take bribes, and elaborate pantomimes. They warned and corrected, man! Not that exhorting is the only way to prophecy but I thought that aspect has been overlooked so far in this thread.
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crying or Very sad
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The Great Toad



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please stop the inane religion discussions on this Korean Generic forum. I am immediately interested in them (just to see how deluded some are and so removed and seduced by Demonic Doctrine) however, ultimately it is a complete and utter work of futility to discuss any real issues on an internet forum like this as it is: that's the impersonal MASKED internet. So please get thee to a Nunnery errrr... a life if you must seek out religious discussion that has any basis in reality go to a church of some sort or engage one of the many Korean religion attackers that avidly approach foreigners to practice English and make them the ________ religion.

It is sickening artificial and PURE WASTELAND. It is like the complete idiots who claim to go to church online. So meaningless removed and superficial it makes me want to laugh and puke at the same time. Granted if you know the people from the church it has meaning but otherwise it is a load of hell roasted charcoaled sheet.

I should get an alternate online persona and claim to be a Jainist, witch, southern Baptist, or sex crazed Venus worshiper and it would not mean sheet. In fact, if this board continues like this I think I am gonna do just that, I am not sure if I should pass myself off as a virgin Mormon Canadian coffee hater or a sex with everything anarchist scientologist. Perhaps this thread could be useful and you could give me some suggestions- I just hope I can fool Dave when I register my new fake guy, his web site runs so seamlessly with nary a glitch.
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is just a question for those who consider themselves practicing Christians or Muslims on this forum


I thought of 'current events' than realized that it is a general question not related to any current issue, unless you count the President of Iran using it.

You don't like these discussions? "Too bad, its a general discussion forum for English teachers in Korea'. "General discussion".
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The Great Toad



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry the whole things just a bit sad is all very well carry out the plan of the day
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If thats how you see it.
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am just trying to understand the difference in religious views, these questions are how I do it. I tried my students, but the oldest is 14 and I couldn't get him interested in looking at my home town on the net.

I want to talk to adults who may or may not agree with me. I don't want to spend my life talking to children who don't understand me at this time or where I come from.

I am sorry I don't bring it up in my kinder class, but I am the only foreign teacher in my school. The kids refuse to argue this point about religion. Thats why I talk to other foriegn teachers on the net. Thats why we are making our points isn't it?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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shakuhachi



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mod --> send to off topic forum.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rev. 22:18-21

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18 �� For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20 �� He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly: Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 �� The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
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huck



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would Muslims or Christians have to coincide your quotes? Don't most religious people believe that theirs is the one true religion, and everyone else is wrong.

If so, then one or both of the passages you quoted are false.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

huck wrote:
Why would Muslims or Christians have to coincide your quotes? Don't most religious people believe that theirs is the one true religion, and everyone else is wrong.

If so, then one or both of the passages you quoted are false.


Don't most posters believe that their opinion is the one true opinion, and every one else is wrong? . It's kind of pointless, anyway. To take the opinions of a handful of Christians and Muslims and try to make some sense out of it. But carry on.
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Privateer



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:06 pm    Post subject: Re: A Question for Christians and Muslims? Reply with quote

Summer Wine wrote:
How do you coincide the following. I was listening to the President of Iran as he ended a speech, he made this statement.

Quote:
" last Prophet Muhammad" (peace be upon him"


It comes from the following:



Quote:
Believe and obey the One true God and obey His messengers.
Jesus (peace be on him) was the second-last prophet of God. He foretold the coming of the last Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him). While the mission of the earlier messengers was generally limited to their own communities, prophet Muhammad's message and mission is universal and timeless till the end of this world.



Now consider this with the following quote:

Quote:
3: But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort."


Understandably its not the easiest to read, it is King James english. But the King James version says that Prophets are meant to promote understanding, exhort one to greater effect and comfort others through their words. There are better translations, the King James was easiest to find.

How are we to coincide one view that a prophet is anyone who speaks the word of God to benefit peoples growth or the Church's growth and another who says after Muhammad, there are no more prophets.

This is just a question for those who consider themselves practicing Christians or Muslims on this forum. It is their opinion I am interested in hearing from and understanding, as both claim to be signposts of the Originator of both of these messages.


Ok I know you're not interested in my opinion - because I'm not a Muslim or a Christian - but there's nothing irreconcilable about those two quotes. The first says that prophets edify, exhort and comfort, and so they do, but a prophet is not defined solely by that nor is anyone who does that a prophet. (At least that's not what the quote says by itself. If that's how it ought to be interpreted from the context then so be it, but you haven't provided a context and I don't know it.)

At first I thought this confusion might be caused by the King James English. If you interpret it as the modern English 'a prophet speaks in order to edify, exhort, and comfort' it reads like a list of prophet's functions. However, even then, there's nothing that says logically that's an exclusive list, and it's still not the same as 'anyone who speaks to edify, exhort, and comfort is a prophet'.

So if you're trying to prove Biblical scriptures contradict the Koran (a big problem for Muslims if so) then I don't think you succeed.
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