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[Summer Wine]

Does anyone else wonder why after the years that the US has been in Iraq, with the troops available, with the training given to Iraqi Police, Soldiers, etc that we still read these articles?

How much does the Iraqi Govt. and the US military really control?

http://japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=8&id=349161

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050913/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-09-13-iraq_x.htm

[Gopher]

[Summer Wine]

You are reading into my words I think. Just take it as it is written. A question about control of territory?

If you want to take it further, are they in the same situation as in Vietnam with lack of control on the ground? Will this end with the same result as the previous? How are neutral countries supposed to view this? Is it worth supporting regardless of the problems on the ground if the US will run from the fight as they did in Vietnam? Will the people on the ground suffer the effects or how is it different?

The last argument we had wasn't hostile just a difference in opinions. I don't get personally hostile in my opinions, they are only words after all. I get into my words and people read into them things not intended, but thats all they are to me, just words.

[Nowhere Man]

I'd agree there is.

Were you in the SOA thread making some noble point about international cooperation or hunting out and labeling anyone who dared to criticize the US?

[Summer Wine]

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Were you in the SOA thread making some noble point about international cooperation or "hunting out and labeling anyone who dared to criticize the US"?

Copy that quote of mine here, I can't remember.

[Gopher]

[Summer Wine]

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Maybe there might be other highly relevant factors involved than the will of the United States of America?

If you have any ideas, then educate me, damm you, educate me. I am always willing to listen to others.

After further reading, the above is a serious issue for me as well as done in a jovial manner. So I do not intend to be impertinant or insulting to you.

[Gopher]

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Saddam Hussein put down the Kurds and the Shias 80% of the population in a few weeks.

Haffez Assad cleaned up a rebelion in 1982 no sweat,

Most mideast regimes would have already beaten the insurgents.

The answer is that the US could never accept acting like Hussein or Assad.

the US is not good against Gurrillas.

If the gurrillas got much stronger then they would be subject to what the US can do real well.

But the US can't be ruthless enough to do what it takes to fight gurriillas however other Iraqis cause they are not a foreign forces can get away with what it would take to crush the insurgents.

Eventually the Shia will destroy the insurgents.

[Summer Wine]

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Eventually the Shia will destroy the insurgents.

Well that destroys the system then. Shia's being a dictatorship is no more different than Sunnis being one. Is that the best the US can offer, one Dictator for another?

If so, I'm out. I'll no longer give any support to the US in this matter. Yes, I did support the notion of removing Saddam, too many shiites died post 1991 when the US sold them out, for the USA to truly be innocent in Iraq.

Gopher, I am not anti USA, just anti "fucked up" actions.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Saddam was one of the greatest killers of the 20 th century worse than Idi Amin.

The new Iraqi government even at its worst will be much better than the regime of Saddam.

Anyway Iraq will be one of the most democratic regimes in the mideast no matter what the Shias do to the insurgents.



That might not be saying much but such is true

[joe_doufu]

[Summer Wine]

Man thats great Hey I didn't kill as many as the guy before me did

You seem to miss the point. Kiwi's still remember the ones killed in Monte Casino by the American bombers and you were on our side. How long will this go on for your enemies?

Oh, yes I forgot, you've given the Iraqi's, electricity, water, and security Oh, no, thats not true.

look, for those of you who think I'm anti american. I AM NOT And this is HOW I THINK Think about your enemies

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

The vast majority of the attacks happen in the Sunni triangle or are commited by those from the Sunni Triangle.

The Kurdish north is under control

The Shias except for Sadr are not fighting

the main problem is with 30% of the country

[Summer Wine]

It isn't a country if you don't control 30% of it.