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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon
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 Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:15 pm Post subject: More F-2 questions |
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Has anyone ever managed to legally substitute teach on an F-2? I'm wondering if it would be worth the hassle with immigration -- or if it would even be possible at all.
I have my husband looking into various possibilities, including private lessons -- seems like the chance of getting them approved through immigration is almost non-existent, but we're looking for a way. However, if someone on an F-2 was to do private lessons and got caught, how much is the fine? Other than a fine, are there any other possible repercussions (like hassles from immigration in the future, or having trouble renewing the F-2)? |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:45 am Post subject: |
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I guess no one knows?
Anyway, BUMP. |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:57 am Post subject: |
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I think F-2 is F-2, which means that you cannot do privates. But what do you mean by substitute teach?
Also, I think they can just fine you without repercussion - at least not if it is your first offense. I asked my husband about this before and he always says *you are the wife of a Korean man, what can they do to you?*... I guess that's reassuring enough!
LOL..
p.s. are you back in Korea? |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
I think F-2 is F-2, which means that you cannot do privates. But what do you mean by substitute teach?
Also, I think they can just fine you without repercussion - at least not if it is your first offense. I asked my husband about this before and he always says *you are the wife of a Korean man, what can they do to you?*... I guess that's reassuring enough!
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Ask him what they can do to the husband of a Korean woman... I think they might like to have me drawn and quatered...  |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
I think F-2 is F-2, which means that you cannot do privates. But what do you mean by substitute teach?
Also, I think they can just fine you without repercussion - at least not if it is your first offense. I asked my husband about this before and he always says *you are the wife of a Korean man, what can they do to you?*... I guess that's reassuring enough!
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Ask him what they can do to the husband of a Korean woman... I think they might like to have me drawn and quatered... |
Yeah, I'm wondering about the double standard there.
That being said, I'm prety sure it's just a fine. However, if you were a "repeat offender" I think you may run into trouble renewing your F2 (that's only a guess though).
Actually, it seems that this year has brought with it a slight relaxing in the F2 procedures so who knows. |
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purple_buddha
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:43 am Post subject: |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:44 am Post subject: |
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I read in some other thread that someone was caught doing a one-to-one class and he was fined 500,000 won. I think that's about the figure.
Purple... since I got married, I transferred my job sponsorship from my company (I am not an English teacher) to my husband (basically getting a work permit versus a work visa)... this way, if I want to walk away from my job, I am not penalised, whereas I think you will be if you walk away from a job with an E-2 visa. |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Tzechuk, yes I'm back -- and you are too, I assume?
Substitute teaching means filling in for teachers when they have to be away, due to illness or that sort of thing. It's very common in Canada, and probably in most public school systems. Where I teach, when one of the Korean teachers wanted to go on a holiday, she got a substitute to cover her classes -- so I know they have the concept here too.
I like my job now, but I am looking for something with more flexibility. I'd really prefer not to do anything illegal -- and I also don't want to be hopping around the city to private after private even if it was legal.
Ideally I'd like to be able to teach privates legally in our home, or substitute teach.
Oh well. *sigh* |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| purple_buddha wrote: |
You still need an E-2 visa to teach English in any capacity. Personally, I've been having a difficult time finding something part-time with E-2 visa sponsorship to go with my F-2-1.
My wife and I have been racking our brains to find a way around this, too. Outside of starting our own hagwon, we haven't been able to find a legal means for me to teach without that E-2. It's a bunk situation, and I hope the law changes in our favor. However, I'm not holding my breath.
If you do the subbing thing, be careful, as you would be breaking the law. Unfortunately, I don't know what the fine would be. (My guess is anywhere from one to five million won.) |
I sure hope your guess is wrong! That's very very steep and I wouldn't even consider it if it's true.
I'm not sure I understand why you can't get an E-2 (not a new visa but permission to work) -- unless you mean because you don't want an employer? |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:06 am Post subject: |
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casey's.... here's what to do if you want to teach at home: get your husband to apply for a business license. Say that he wants to start a hagwon at your home. It is very, very easy to do and perfectly legal for you, as you will be, in effect, be *hired* by him. Make sure you don't get a work visa but a work permit instead, that way, they really have very little to hold against you, should they want to be pricks.
When your husband applies for this business license, have him state that part of the business area will be substitute teaching. You will be covered.
p.s. let's meet for lunch??? |
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purple_buddha
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| I'm not sure I understand why you can't get an E-2 (not a new visa but permission to work) -- unless you mean because you don't want an employer? |
Casey's Moon,
If I want to teach English legally in Korea (even part-time), I still need an E-2 visa from an employer (e.g., hagwon, public school, company, etc.).
I've talked to several hagwon directors and company managers, who refused to sponsor my E-2 for part-time teaching, because they thought my F-2-1 makes me legal to teach. Unfortunately, it doesn't, and if caught by immigration, I would be facing a fine and a black mark on my record.
The other way for me to teach legally is to have my wife make and register an English home school business, and I can obtain a work permit through her sponsorship. (However, the second method would be easier if she were a Korean man instead of a Korean woman, and it's a little expensive for us at the moment.) |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| purple_buddha wrote: |
| The other way for me to teach legally is to have my wife make and register an English home school business, and I can obtain a work permit through her sponsorship. (However, the second method would be easier if she were a Korean man instead of a Korean woman, and it's a little expensive for us at the moment.) |
Hmm.... it shouldn't make a difference if it was a man or a woman -- not saying it doesn't -- but it shouldn't...
Anyway, that's interesting. Do you know how expensive it is to register an English home school business? Doesn't zoning come into play at all?
Thanks for you input, purple buddha and tzechuk! |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| just a side note... I'm heading in next month to add a "non-teaching" job to my F2. They said all I need is the business licsence. |
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purple_buddha
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:43 am Post subject: |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| i just remembered my wife has an english degree.... now all I need is that big apt. you mentioned. |
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