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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
Summer Wine wrote:
How many storms like Katrina and Rita can the US weather without making changes.

Yeah, but global warming doesn't cause typhoons/hurricanes. They've always hit the Gulf of Mexico well before there even was a 'Gulf of Mexico' as we've named that area now.


We are not debating the cause of hurricanes any more than we are debating the creation of continents. The discussion is whether our actions *add to* global warming, and if so, what to do. If we are ading to global warming, then we are adding to the intensity and possibly the number of hurricanes because warmer water equals bigger, badder, and maybe more hurricanes. It really is that simple.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFLtrainer wrote:
Tiger Beer wrote:
Summer Wine wrote:
How many storms like Katrina and Rita can the US weather without making changes.

Yeah, but global warming doesn't cause typhoons/hurricanes. They've always hit the Gulf of Mexico well before there even was a 'Gulf of Mexico' as we've named that area now.


We are not debating the cause of hurricanes any more than we are debating the creation of continents. The discussion is whether our actions *add to* global warming, and if so, what to do. If we are ading to global warming, then we are adding to the intensity and possibly the number of hurricanes because warmer water equals bigger, badder, and maybe more hurricanes. It really is that simple.


It is that simple: a basic equation of cause and effect. Warmer oceans, warmer atmospheric temperatures= more intense and damaging storms. Lets all go over it again.

1) the worlds oceans have warmed significantly over the past 40 years,

http://marine.rutgers.edu/cool/education/OCEAN24.htm

due to global warming:
Our results support climate modeling predictions that show increasing atmospheric greenhouse gases will have a relatively large warming influence on the Earth's atmosphere"
http://marine.rutgers.edu/cool/education/us-warming-oceans.html

The result: For the first time in one hurricane season, two Category 5 hurricanes powered across the Gulf of Mexico toward the U.S. coast.
Clearly, Hurricanes are increasing- along with new and unusual weather records worldwide. Due to Global warming.
"As global warming causes oceans to become warmer, and more moisture is held in the atmosphere, the intensity of hurricanes and the amount of rain they produce will likely increase, according to NCAR scientist Kevin Trenberth and others. There is strong evidence that global warming has been increasing the intensity of hurricanes for over the past few decades."

http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/earth/climate/hurricane_climate.html

"It's a fair conclusion to draw that global warming, caused to a substantial extent by people, is driving increased sea surface temperatures and increasing the violence of hurricanes."
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/23092005/325/scientist-criticises-u-s-climate-loonies.html

Kyoto couldn't hope to go far enough in adressing the problem, but it was at least a start:
http://unfccc.int/essential_background/kyoto_protocol/items/2830.php

The U.S is by far, far, the worlds greatest polluter.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/env_co2_emi&int=-1

The pollution of over a century is still trapped in the atmosphere. Hundreds of instruments around the world recorded a drop in sunshine reaching the surface of Earth, as much as 10 percent from the late 1950's to the early 90's, or 2 percent to 3 percent a decade. In some regions like Asia, the United States and Europe, the drop was even steeper. In Hong Kong, sunlight decreased 37 percent.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,12374,1109374,00.html
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you explain all the typhoons/hurricanes that have been going on for the past 10 million+ years then?

I'm not saying that global warming isn't happening.. I just find it a ridiculous assertion that Hurricane Katrina and Rita ONLY occured because of global warming, and we wouldn't have had those any other way. Its ridiculous.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
How do you explain all the typhoons/hurricanes that have been going on for the past 10 million+ years then?

I'm not saying that global warming isn't happening.. I just find it a ridiculous assertion that Hurricane Katrina and Rita ONLY occured because of global warming, and we wouldn't have had those any other way. Its ridiculous.


yes, hurricanes have occurred for millenia. But their destructive impact has been increased by human activity.

1) Removal of protective ecosystems buffer zones leave settlements open to the full force of hurricanes. Extensive marshlands/Floodplain formerly absorbed floods, Missipi formerly kept coast above sea level by silt deposits. Now, channeled and diverted.

2) Warmer oceans: warm, deep water dramatically intensifies and fuels hurricanes. Oceans are warmer now due to man-induced global warming.

3)Modern, massive settlements right on low-lying coastal areas: Traditional settlements were always built on higher ground and sheltered by natural ecosystems. Now, a host of cities and towns are practically built on the beach: wide open to tsunami and hurricanes making landfall.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
I'm not saying that global warming isn't happening.. I just find it a ridiculous assertion that Hurricane Katrina and Rita ONLY occured because of global warming, and we wouldn't have had those any other way. Its ridiculous.


Did someone say that? Or did they mean their intensity may not have been as bad? (Stats would back this up somewhat, but only just a little, statistically speaking.)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New NASA pictures today reveal the Arctic ice has shrunk 20% since 1979.

Arctic Ice Melts Faster As It Gets Warmer By JOSEPH B. VERRENGIA, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 19 minutes ago

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/icecover.html

New satellite observations show that sea ice in the Arctic is melting faster while air temperatures in the region are rising sharply, scientists say.

Since 2002, satellite data have revealed unusually early springtime melting in areas north of Siberia and Alaska. Now the melting trend has spread throughout the Arctic, according to a national collaboration of scientists.

The latest observations through September show that melting in 2005 began a record 17 days earlier than usual.


Arctic to be ice-free by end of this century. (for the first time in 800.000 years).

The observations showed 2.06 million square miles of sea ice as late as Sept. 19. That's the lowest measurement of Arctic sea ice cover ever recorded, the researchers said. It's also 20 percent less than the average of end-of-summer ice pack cover measurements recorded since 1978.

At the same time, average air temperatures across most of the Arctic region from January to August 2005 were as much as 5.4 degrees warmer than average temperature over the last 50 years, said the team of researchers from two universities and NASA.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050929/ap_on_sc/arctic_melting;_ylt=Ajh2MMfdHil.JvY7yUYSiDms0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MzV0MTdmBHNlYwM3NTM-

http://rst.gsfc.nasa.gov/Sect14/Sect14_14.html
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Global warming aside, the destruction of the Louisiana marshlands did affect how Katrina played out. What was a natural defense which reduced the strength of incoming hurricanes they are now almost gone and it means that any storm that hits LA will not lose strength as it makes landfall. In the case of Katrina everyone agress that the restoration of these wetlands should be a priorty as it has a direct and verifiable effect on Hurricanes
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We humans are sleepwalking into destruction- and seem unable to stop ourselves. Like a rabbit in the headlights, we are blinded by greed and short term gain into a massive scale ecocide, an unprecedented destruction of the natural earth that will seal our own fate.
As someone who loves the natural environment, it is profoundly depressing live in the world we do now- characterised by a near universal ignorance of ecology, a worship of technology, profit and material gain. Only today news just in, for example: ndonesia plans to uproot all rainforest in Borneo to create the worlds largest palm oil plantation, to provide "biofuel". Instead, we should be focussing on wind and solar energy.

The children in my school are entranced by something as simple as a seagull, an insect or a day old chick. It is magical,sacred. yet all over the country and indeed the world, nature is destroyed en masses to make room for more human development: on our field trip today, we drove out to a gas installation offshore. A vast area of mudflat filled with birds, fish and seafood is being concreted over, 9km out to sea, to make room for more appartments and a city.

Everywhere it is relentless, this trashing of the worlds beauty, charm, biodiversity and ecosystems. Man, like an out of control plague, sweeps over the surface of the earth, destroying and altering everything in its way. Nothing is sacred, and the heathy environment that satisfied people for millenia is sacrificed forever in the name of big business and profit margins. Fouled air, land and water quality decreases: a host of new neuroses and diseases spread through our modern stress-filled lives.

And still people believe there are no consequences to or actions, the long evolved natural world and systems of order have no value. the earth we walk on has no value except as space to build on, exploit, and despoil. Without respect or reverence for nature, we are in a time where everything becomes out of balance. Natures checks and balances removed, the rivets pulled from the machinery of human survival.

When the poles have no ice cover: the oceans have risen several metres and wrecked coastal cities, the air is filled with toxins, there is only a remnant of biodiversity remaining, and resulting environmental collapse causes aridification and increasing conflicts over dwindling resources..then we will still be sayng "its all a natural cycle" etc etc and pushing ahead with the final mindless ruination of the earth. Future generations will wonder how and why we set them up for such an inhospitable, disastrous and charmless world.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rapier wrote:
We humans are sleepwalking into destruction- and seem unable to stop ourselves. Like a rabbit in the headlights, we are blinded by greed and short term gain into a massive scale ecocide, an unprecedented destruction of the natural earth that will seal our own fate.


And why? I've suggested it elsewhere on the forums, but the why of it all can be partially explained by the perspective provided here: The Rise and Fall of the Great Nations. Paul Kennedy. Random House. New York, 1987.

Scary aside: When I googled, '"The rise and fall of the great nations" kennedy' this was the second entry:

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Try chaos: The Making of a new Science (i think), The Rise and fall of The great nations (Kennedy) and The reat depression/recession of 1999 (Ravi Batra). ... www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=42835& view=next&sid=d71b75c60667ecc8bc5766cff7c1a980 - 65k - Supplemental Result -

Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

I'm famous! Hehehe... Hey, maybe we're changing the world one post at a time. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess a point that I didn't make clear was that with the changes we are expecting, rising sea levels, more intense and more numerous storms, etc.

Changes have to be considered and implemented. Whether moving the major cities back from the shore line. Moving small island countries populations that will be flooded out to other countries. Planting trees that are salt resistant in areas where rising salt water is impacting the land etc.

Its not just a case of making changes to problems now, e.g. lowering green house gas emmisions, becoming more environmentally friendly etc.
It is also preparing the world for the changes that will occur that are becoming inevitable. It is helping the world become more livable, these changes need to be considered and acted upon.

Its not just Governments it is us, whether we spend more and become partially energy self sufficient, or make other changes that will benefit us in the long run. The members of this forum are lucky, they are well educated, employable people who can make changes in their lives. Some just don't know any better or can't do anything.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summer Wine wrote:
I guess a point that I didn't make clear was that with the changes we are expecting, rising sea levels, more intense and more numerous storms, etc.

Changes have to be considered and implemented. Whether moving the major cities back from the shore line. Moving small island countries populations that will be flooded out to other countries. Planting trees that are salt resistant in areas where rising salt water is impacting the land etc.

Its not just a case of making changes to problems now, e.g. lowering green house gas emmisions, becoming more environmentally friendly etc.
It is also preparing the world for the changes that will occur that are becoming inevitable. It is helping the world become more livable, these changes need to be considered and acted upon.

Its not just Governments it is us, whether we spend more and become partially energy self sufficient, or make other changes that will benefit us in the long run. The members of this forum are lucky, they are well educated, employable people who can make changes in their lives. Some just don't know any better or can't do anything.


Which begs the question: if two hurricanes can't be handled, what is a globally whacked out climate going to do to the global social fabric?

And, if in forty years we couldn't/wouldn't fund suitable levies in NO, how can we afford the infrastructure to handle globally occuring disasters?

Ah, ladies and gents, you're kids are in for one heck of a ride. If I have an above average life span I'll get to see the beginning of the worst of it, but not much more. Hmmm... maybe I have a moral responsibility to become celibate.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Global warming effects in Korea:

Heavy rains and flooding. Severe flooding struck during July and August, 1998, with daily rainfall totals exceeding 10 inches (25.4 cm).

Worst drought in 100 years of record, 2001. It coincided with an average annual temperature increase in Asia's temperate region, which includes Korea, by more than 1.8F (1?C) over the past century. The warming has been most pronounced since 1970.

http://www.climatehotmap.org/asia.html

-and right across Asia:

Llasa, Tibet -- Warmest June on record, 1998. Temperatures hovered above 77?F for 23 days.

Garhwal Himalayas, India -- Glacial retreat at record pace. The Dokriani Barnak Glacier retreated 66 ft (20.1 m) in 1998 despite a severe winter. The Gangorti Glacier is retreating 98 ft (30 m) per year. At this rate scientists predict the loss of all central and eastern Himalayan glaciers by 2035.

Tien Shan Mountains, China -- Glacial ice reduced by one quarter in the past 40 years.

Southern India - Heat wave, May 2002. In the state of Andhra Pradesh temperatures rose to 120?F, resulting in the highest one-week death toll on record. This heat wave came in the context of a long-term warming trend in Asia in general. India, including southern India, has experienced a warming trend at a rate of 1?F (0.6?C) per century.

Nepal - High rate of temperature rise. Since the mid-1970s the average air temperature measured at 49 stations has risen by 1.8?F (1?C), with high elevation sites warming the most. This is twice as fast as the 1?F (0.6?C) average warming for the mid-latitudinal Northern Hemisphere (24 to 40?N) over the same time period, and illustrates the high sensitivity of mountain regions to climate change.

Taiwan - Average temperature increase. The average temperature for the island has risen 1.8-2.5?F (1-1.4?C) in the last 100 years. The average temperature for 2000 was the warmest on record.

Afghanistan - 2001 - Warmest winter on record. Arid Central Asia, which includes Afghanistan, experienced a warming of 0.8-3.6?F (1-2?C) during the 20th century.

Tibet - Warmest decade in 1,000 years. Ice core records from the Dasuopu Glacier indicate that the last decade and last 50 years have been the warmest in 1,000 years. Meteorological records for the Tibetan Plateau show that annual temperatures increased 0.4?F (0.16?C) per decade and winter temperatures increased 0.6?F (0.32?C) per decade from 1955 to 1996.

Mongolia - Warmest century of the past millennium. A 1,738-year tree-ring record from remote alpine forests in the Tarvagatay Mountains indicates that 20th century temperatures in this region are the warmest of the last millennium. Tree growth during 1980-1999 was the highest of any 20-year period on record, and 8 of the 10 highest growth years occurred since 1950. The 20th century warming has been observed in tree-ring reconstructions of temperature from widespread regions of Eurasia, including sites in the Polar Urals, Yakutia, and the Taymir Peninsula, Russia. The average annual temperature in Mongolia has increased by about 1.3?F (0.7?C) over the past 50 years.

Chokoria Sundarbans, Bangladesh - Flooded mangroves. Rising ocean levels have flooded about 18,500 acres (7,500 hectares) of mangrove forest during the past three decades. Global sea-level rise is aggravated by substantial deltaic subsidence in the area with rates as high as 5.5 mm/year.

China - Rising waters and temperature. The average rate of sea-level rise was 0.09 +/- 0.04 inches (2.3 +/- 0.9 mm) per year over the last 30 years. Global sea-level rise was aggravated locally by subsidence of up to 2 inches (5 cm) per year for some regions due to earthquakes and groundwater withdrawal. Also, ocean temperatures off the China coast have risen in the last 100 years, especially since the 1960s.

Bhutan - Melting glaciers swelling lakes. As Himalayan glaciers melt glacial lakes are swelling and in danger of catastrophic flooding. Average glacial retreat in Bhutan is 100-130 feet (30-40 m) per year. Temperatures in the high Himalayas have risen 1.8?F (1?C) since the mid 1970s.

India - Himalayan glaciers retreating. Glaciers in the Himalayas are retreating at an average rate of 50 feet (15 m) per year, consistent with the rapid warming recorded at Himalayan climate stations since the 1970s. Winter stream flow for the Baspa glacier basin has increased 75% since 1966 and local winter temperatures have warmed, suggesting increased glacier melting in winter.

Mt. Everest - Retreating glacier.The Khumbu Glacier, popular climbing route to the summit of Mt. Everest, has retreated over 3 miles (5 km) since 1953. The Himalayan region overall has warmed by about 1.8?F (1?C) since the 1970s.

Kyrgyzstan - Disappearing glaciers. During 1959-1988, 1,081 glaciers in the Pamir-Altai disappeared. Temperatures in the mountains of Kyrgyztan have increased by 0.9-2.7? F (0.5-1.5?C) since the 1950s.

Siberia - Melting permafrost. Large expanses of tundra permafrost are melting. In some regions the rate of thawing of the upper ground is nearly 8 inches (20 cm) per year. Thawing permafrost has already damaged 300 buildings in the cities of Norilsk and Yakutsk. In Yakutsk, the average temperature of the permanently frozen ground has warmed by 2.7 ?F (1.5?C) during the past 30 years.

Indonesia -- Malaria spreads to high elevations. Malaria was detected for the first time as high as 6,900 feet (2103 m) in the highlands of Irian Jaya in 1997.

Philippines -- Coral reef bleaching.

Indian Ocean -- Coral reef bleaching (inclues Seychelles; Kenya; Reunion; Mauritius; Somalia; Madagascar; Maldives; Indonesia; Sri Lanka; Gulf of Thailand [Siam]; Andaman Islands; Malaysia; Oman; India; and Cambodia).

Persian Gulf -- Coral reef bleaching.

Indonesia -- Burning rainforest, 1998. Fires burned up to 2 million acres (809,371 hectares) of land, including almost 250,000 acres (101,172 hectares) of primary forest and parts of the already severely reduced habitat of the Kalimantan orangutan.

Khabarovsk, Russia -- Wildfires threaten tiger habitat, 1998. Drought and high winds fueled fires that destroyed 3.7 million acres (1,497,337 hectares) of taiga and threatened two important nature reserves that are habitat for the only remaining Amur tigers.

Bangladesh - Link between stronger El Ni񯠥vents and cholera prevalence. Researchers found a robust relationship between progressively stronger El Ni񯠥vents and cholera prevalence, spanning a 70-year period from 1893-1940 and 1980-2001. There has been a marked intensification of the El Ni񯯓outhern Oscillation phenomenon since the 1980s, which is not fully explained by the known shifts in the Pacific basin temperature regime that began in the mid-1970s. Findings by Rodo et al. are consistent with model projections of El Ni񯠩ntensification under global warming conditions. The authors make a strong case for the climate-health link by providing evidence for biological sensitivity to climate, meteorological evidence of climate change, and evidence of epidemiological change with global warming. The study likely represents the first piece of evidence that warming trends over the last century are affecting human disease.

Lake Baikal, Russia - Shorter freezing period. Winter freezing is about 11 days later and spring ice breakup is about 5 days earlier compared to a century ago. Some regions of Siberia have warmed by as much as 2.5?F (1.4?C) in just 25 years.

Iran - Desiccated wetlands, 2001 Ninety percent of wetlands have dried up after 2 years of extreme drought. Much of South West Asia has experienced a prolonged three-year drought that is unusual in its magnitude. Out of 102 years of record, 1999, 2000, and 2001 rank as the fifth, third, and seventh driest on record. 1999-2000 was the driest winter on record.

Pakistan - Longest drought on record, 1999-2001. The prolonged three-year drought, which covers much of South West Asia, has affected 2.2 million people and 16 million livestock in Pakistan.

Tajikistan - Lowest rainfall in 75 years, 2001. 2001 marked the third consecutive year of drought, which has destroyed half the wheat crop.

China - Disappearing Lakes, 2001. More than half of the 4,000 lakes in the Qinghai province are disappearing due to drought. The severity of the impact is exacerbated by overpumping of aquifers. Annual average temperature in China has increased during the past century, with pronounced warming since 1980. Most of the warming has been in northern areas, including Qinghai Province, and in the winter.


Looks like the anti-global warming theory is pretty much out the window:
http://www.southbaymobilization.org/newsroom/earth.htm
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051001/ap_on_sc/cycle_of_disaster

But since 1995, hurricanes have become more frequent and more intense. Some scientists say the United States is on the bad side of a natural storm cycle, while others notice the trend may coincide with the recent increase in air and sea temperatures attributed to global warming.

Statistics show the planet to be increasingly unsafe. Globally, more than 2.5 billion people were affected by floods, earthquakes, hurricanes and other natural disasters between 1994 and 2003, a 60 percent increase over the previous two 10-year periods, U.N. officials report.

Those numbers don't even include the millions displaced by last December's tsunami, which killed an estimated 180,000 people.

//

The Federal Emergency Management Agency bases much of its planning on 100-year storm estimates that are decades old and don't always account for today's more intense storms and increased urbanization.

And, experts warn, these future calamities don't even factor in larger environmental influences that are lurking, like global warming.

"In the decades to come, the equation will be completely different from what it is now," said Robert Muir-Woods, London-based research director for Risk Management Solutions,
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SCIENTISTS WARN OF GLOBAL COINCIDENCE
Rising Temps, Oceans, and Greenhouse Gas Proof of Weird,
Unrelated Happenings

Washington, D.C.

Sea levels swelled, but still they doubted. Temperatures soared,
but still they questioned. Glaciers disappeared, yet even so,
they refused to believe. But now, the sudden disintegration
of a massive Antarctic ice shelf may convinced even the most
hardened skeptics that Earth truly is threatened by Global Coincidence.

Antarctica's Larsen B ice shelf before and after
Global Coincidence caused its destruction.



"If there was before, there can be no doubt now that there is
one very obvious reason why all these things are happening,"
said Dr. Milton Suter of the Center for Climatological
Happenstance. "And that reason is: Because they are."

The numbers supporting Global Coincidence, Suter insisted,
don't lie. In the last 100 years, while carbon dioxide and
methane emissions have surged, the world's average land
surface temperature has risen 1.0F, and the oceans have
risen 6 to 8 inches. "For most people, that would be enough,"
Suter noted. "I mean, right there, all that adds up to a
pretty strange coincidence."



But then, over the last month, the 800-square-kilometer
Larsen B ice shelf in Antarctica fractured and collapsed
"So on top of everything else, a 500-billion-ton chunk of
ice just happens to melt and break apart? Frankly, that's
not just a coincidence," said Suter, "that's an incredible
coincidence."



Polls show that Global Coincidence theory has long been
embraced by the general public, but a handful of scientists
remain skeptical. "I've seen their data, and I still wonder
if perhaps there's not some kind of cause-and-effect
relationship that we should be addressing," said Dr.
Kathryn Burke of the Sierra Club. "I believe Global
Coincidence may be one possible scenario, but we need
to do more studies, including some that point to possible
linkages between events, if they exist."

That kind of reaction angers Global Coincidence proponents like
Dr. Christian Barstow of the World Climatic Coincidence Fund.
"More studies? How long do we have to wait before these
apologists realize the results are already in?" he said.
"It's time to accept that Global Coincidence is very real,
and that if we don't do something, it's only going to get worse.

"And also if we do do something, it's only going to get worse,"
he added. "That's the nature of this beast."

SPREADING COINCIDENCE?

Intrigued by the climate studies, some scientists are now
investigating the influence of Global Coincidence in a number
of unexplored areas. Researchers at the U.S. State Department
are using GC to separate U.S. foreign policy decisions and
international reaction to U.S. foreign policy decisions.
In health care, Global Coincidence has already produced
startling results.

"Right now, we're looking at people who die of lung cancer,
and people who smoke cigarettes, and we see that often these
are the same people," said Dr. Russell Crowder of the American
Tobacco Institute's new Center for Inescapably Random Occurrences.
"I don't know what the odds are of those things happening
independently, but they've got to be astronomical."

"That's absurd," replied Millicent Hu of the American Cancer
Society. "The link between cigarettes and cancer is no more
a coincidence than if I put two and two together and get four."

"Whoa, that's what happens when I put two and two together!"
replied Crowder. "Freaky."



But already, detractors are becoming increasingly rare.
Some credit overwhelming evidence in favor of Global
Coincidence. Others point to an exchange last week at
the first annual International Conference on Incredible
Global Coincidence between a statistical logician and
Suter of the Climatological Happenstance Center.

Logician: "Look, everything is not a coincidence.
I mean, if you shoot me with a gun and I die, that's
not a coincidence. You have a gun. You pull the trigger.
Bang. I'm dead."

Suter: Ah, but what if I actually happen to have a
gun on me right now?

Logician: Well, OK, I admit, that would be a...

BANG

Suter: Coincidence?



After the applause died down, Suter drove home his point
that there is no point in looking for a point. "All in all,
the data is stunning. The British growing season is now
longer than ever. The Arctic ice is considerably thinner
than it was 50 years ago. The 20th Century's 10 warmest
years all occurred in the last 15 years," he said.
"Given that, I think I speak for everyone in the Global
Coincidence community when I say, 'Wow. Go figure.'"



Global Warming Approaching Point of No Return,
Warns Leading Climate Expert
http://www.mindfully.org/Air/2005/Global-Warming-Approaching23jan05.htm

Uhh... where did all those people go who were saying global warming is all lies?
Hello?
H-E-L-L-O??? anybody there??
Hmm.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not saying hurricanes are created at will but last year I saw a documentary about military rain-making tests during the Vietnam war. The process required the "sealing" of clouds with chemicals to cause rain to form and fall, flooding the vietnamese country side.

Mind-blowing. Perhaps investing in a few thousand acres of desert may not be a bad idea.
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