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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:41 pm Post subject: Repent America! Katrina a Judgment From Almighty God |
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Repent America
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The past three mayors of New Orleans, including Sidney Barthelomew, Marc H. Morial, and C. Ray Nagin, issued official proclamations welcoming visitors to "Southern Decadence". Additionally, New Orleans City Council made other proclamations recognizing the annual homosexual celebration.
"Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city," stated Repent America director Michael Marcavage. "From 'Girls Gone Wild' to 'Southern Decadence,' New Orleans was a city that had its doors wide open to the public celebration of sin. From the devastation may a city full of righteousness emerge," he continued.
New Orleans was also known for its Mardi Gras parties where thousands of drunken men would revel in the streets to exchange plastic jewelry for drunken women to expose their breasts and to engage in other sex acts. This annual event sparked the creation of the "Girls Gone Wild" video series. Furthermore, Louisiana had a total of ten abortion clinics with half of them operating in New Orleans, where countless numbers of children were murdered at the hands of abortionists. Additionally, New Orleans has always been known as one of the "Murder Capitals of the World" with a rate ten times the national average.
"We must help and pray for those ravaged by this disaster, but let us not forget that the citizens of New Orleans tolerated and welcomed the wickedness in their city for so long," Marcavage said. "May this act of God cause us all to think about what we tolerate in our city limits, and bring us trembling before the throne of Almighty God," Marcavage concluded. |
Anyone recall what Falwell and Robertson were saying a few days after 9/11? |
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Red
Joined: 05 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Having a bible in hand seems to be a sure sign of needing a few years in a rubber room these days. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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and yet amsterdam stands firm on the ground.
and las vegas
and mumbai
and bejing
and all these crazy sinful places.
I guess God is selective in his judgement, saving it for American cities that AREN'T las vegas...musta given up on that place... |
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Teufelswacht
Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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For some balance...
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Muhammad Yousef Al-Mlaifi, who is director of the Kuwaiti Ministry of Endowment's research center, published an article titled "The Terrorist Katrina is One of the Soldiers of Allah, But Not an Adherent of Al-Qaeda." [1] The article appeared August 31, 2005 in the Kuwaiti daily Al-Siyassa.
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"The Terrorist Katrina is One of the Soldiers of Allah��"
"��As I watched the horrible sights of this wondrous storm, I was reminded of the Hadith of the Messenger of Allah [in the compilations] of Al-Bukhari and Abu Daoud. The Hadith says: 'The wind is of the wind of Allah, it comes from mercy or for the sake of torment. When you see it, do not curse it, [but rather] ask Allah for the good that is in it, and ask Allah for shelter from its evil.' Afterwards, I was [also] reminded of the words of the Prophet Muhammad: 'Do not curse the wind, as it is the fruit of Allah's planning. He who curses something that should not be cursed – the curse will come back to him.'
"When the satellite channels reported on the scope of the terrifying destruction in America [caused by] this wind, I was reminded of the words of [Prophet Muhammad]: 'The wind sends torment to one group of people, and sends mercy to others.' I do not think – and only Allah [really] knows – that this wind, which completely wiped out American cities in these days, is a wind of mercy and blessing. It is almost certain that this is a wind of torment and evil that Allah has sent to this American empire. Out of my absolute belief in the truth of the words of the Prophet Muhammad, this wind is the fruit of the planning [of Allah], as is stated in the text of the Hadith of the Prophet....
"Oh honored gentlemen, I began to read about these winds, and I was surprised to discover that the American websites that are translated [into Arabic] are talking about the fact that that the storm Katrina is the fifth equatorial storm to strike Florida this year�� and that a large part of the U.S. is subject every year to many storms that extract [a price of] dead, and completely destroy property. I said, Allah be praised, until when will these successive catastrophes strike them?
"But before I went to sleep, I opened the Koran and began to read in Surat Al-R'ad ['The Thunder' chapter], and stopped at these words [of Allah]: 'The disaster will keep striking the unbelievers for what they have done, or it will strike areas close to their territory, until the promise of Allah comes to pass, for, verily, Allah will not fail in His promise. ' [Koran 13:31]." |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I remember a Rabbi also claiming that the last hurricane was wrath from God for supporting the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza. Hurricanes bring loonies out of the woodwork it would seem. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| thousands of drunken men would revel in the streets to exchange plastic jewelry for drunken women to expose their *beep* and to engage in other sex acts |
Was this a new orleans tradition? Guys line the streets with plastic watches to give to any woman willing to flash? hahaha |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| thousands of drunken men would revel in the streets to exchange plastic jewelry for drunken women to expose their *beep* and to engage in other sex acts |
Was this a new orleans tradition? Guys line the streets with plastic watches to give to any woman willing to flash? hahaha |
No, typically they were plastic beads. Of course other objects were thrown off the mardi gras floats, notably teddy bears, coins ("doubloons") and beaded necklaces with big round "medallions". Also, the men (when possible) placed themselves on high balconies overlooking Bourbon Street. During Mardi Gras so much stuff is thrown off by each parade that anybody who wants to can leave with a big backpack stuffed full of goodies, mostly the cheap beads and a few medallions. During my first Mardi Gras season I collected boxes of stuff. When the exchange students arrived from Europe the following spring, I was moving house so I got the boxes out and five or six of us went to the Quarter to try this custom out for ourselves. Turns out it's pretty easy to see the college girls that come from out of town prepared in advance to flash... quite simply, they dress for it. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| Teufelswacht wrote: |
| For some balance... |
Balance is good, important for makihng sure we don't fall flat on our faces as often as we generally do otherwise.
At my request via pm, because I told I was interested (I was, and I am) Teufelswacht was kind enough to send some links to source the passages he quoited above. He and I seldom agree on stuff, but when he has time, he contributes admirably around here, and I can respect a man who dfisagrees without resorting to insults, character assassination and ad hominem arguments.
My first take on this is that it illustrates - okay, balance, but primarily that kooky wierd irrational thought patterns exist both here and there. Unfortunately, the kooky wierd irrational thought displayed in the OP is just the sort of thing that is driving the domestic thread of the curent administration in Washington ... I refer to Bush's endorsement of "Intelligent Design," the move toward federal funding of "faith-based" religious organizations, and the steady movement to curtail abortion rights and legitimize the continued discrimination of gays.
The only discalimer I will offer is this, that MEMRI is pro-Israel organization that "monitors" the press in coujntries throughout the Middle East yet their website that they have offices in Tel Aviv, New York, some Eurropean cities, but none in a any Arabic-speaking country. I have no reason to disrespect the quality of their translations but it is clear that they are not unbiased and it seems likely they pick and choose very carefully which articles they will translate, and thus their depiction of what is typical is likely to be skewed by that selection process.
"Katrina is a Wind of Torment and Evil from Allah Sent to This American Empire"
Times of Oman : "Bloggers hail ��soldier sent by God�� "
Middle East Times : "'Allah's soldier': Islamist bloggers hail Katrina"
WHY DID THE HURRICANE KATRINA HAPPEN? Some reasons given by religious conservatives
Washington Post : Where Most See a Weather System, Some See Divine Retribution |
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Teufelswacht
Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| He and I seldom agree on stuff, but when he has time, he contributes admirably around here, and I can respect a man who dfisagrees without resorting to insults, character assassination and ad hominem arguments. |
Thank you for your kind words. I do wish I had more time to contribute to Dave's site. I have never thought that disagreement is akin to dislike or that diversity equals disunity. If we all agreed about everything it sure would be a boring world.
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| ... but primarily that kooky wierd irrational thought patterns exist both here and there. |
My point exactly. No group, religious, political, ideological or otherwise has the market cornered, as it were, on kooks or irrational people in their midst.
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| I refer to Bush's endorsement of "Intelligent Design," the move toward federal funding of "faith-based" religious organizations, and the steady movement to curtail abortion rights and legitimize the continued discrimination of gays. |
The issues you mention are some of those that, too many times, get lost in statements that are "over-the-top." In my experience, I have rarely come across any issue that is "black and white." Usually, issues are in the grey area. I personally find that the attempt by some to define a "grey" argument in a black and white context has the effect of obscuring the issues that really need to be addressed. Too many times, I believe, it is just too difficult to wade through the shouting, labeling, irresponsible statements, character assassination, insults and jingoism that permeate the discussion of important issues that must be addressed.
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| The only discalimer I will offer is this, that MEMRI is pro-Israel organization that "monitors" the press in coujntries throughout the Middle East yet their website that they have offices in Tel Aviv, New York, some Eurropean cities, but none in a any Arabic-speaking country. I have no reason to disrespect the quality of their translations but it is clear that they are not unbiased and it seems likely they pick and choose very carefully which articles they will translate, and thus their depiction of what is typical is likely to be skewed by that selection process. |
True. MEMRI is a pro-Israeli organization. As I mentioned in the PM, when I read their article I went to several Middle-East papers that mentioned the article to see if there was a serious disagreement about MEMRI's translation. I was unable to locate a Middle-East news source that disputed the actual translation of the article in question. I have found certain sources in the West that dispute certain translations of a particular sentence of a previous long video or article. Many of the disputes, I have found, have to do with the "conclusions" that the MEMRI editorial staff has reached about the translated article and not the accuracy of the translation itself. I also noticed that, in addition to the expected conservative news sources, their clients include The NY Times, AP, and The LA Times. Not exactly bastions of pro-Bush, pro-Israeli conservative thought.
One of the problems I have with news sources today is that most, if not all, are biased to a certain extent. Most news sources, that I am familiar with, can be held up to examination and bias can be found to one degree or another. I have more respect for a news source that is up front, as they say, about their bias than one that tries to insult our intelligence by claiming there is no bias in their publication or production. Cherry-picking of articles to print/produce has long been a valid complaint against most news sources. Many times, yes, the selection process is skewed by their stated or unstated bias. But that is just the nature of the game. That is why the internet is so valuable. The ease of seeing different takes on the same information is invaluable. It is certainly a shame that more people just read what they agree with and don't investigate other sides of the issues today.
As an aside, I wonder if the FOX News network will soften its comments now that a Saudi prince has invested in their organization?
I too see the lack of offices in Arabic speaking countries. But with the advent of the internet and paid stringers in other countries that provide the raw data I don't see this as a major problem. Additionally, the realities of the modern world, I believe, would preclude a pro-Israeli organization from opening an office in many countries in the Middle-East. I sure wouldn't underwrite an insurance policy covering their personnel and assets if they were to open offices in many Middle-Eastern countries.
Well, that's about it for now. Thanks again, Bob.
Take care.
Teufelswacht |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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MEMRI did have an office in Baghdad right after the fall of Saddam. Is it gone?  Not too surprising if it is.
While I understand why it doesn't have an office in say, Beirut or Damascus, you'd think it would at least set up shop in Amman or Cairo. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm reminded of the earthquake that struck Lisbon on All Saints Day (Nov 1), 1755. It being an important religious day, the churches and cathedrals were full. About 100,000 died in the tumbling buildings and tidal wave that followed the earthquake. Apparantly god woke up with a hangover that day and decided to punish the faithful. |
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Teufelswacht
Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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While I understand why it doesn't have an office in say, Beirut or Damascus, you'd think it would at least set up shop in Amman or Cairo. |
While there is, as you correctly pointed out in another thread, relations at the governmental level between Israel and Egypt and Jordan (I don't know anything about the level of business or corporate relationships), the danger to a pro-Israeli organization, IMHO, comes not from officially sanctioned and supported attacks but rather from the extremist elements that are active in Egypt and Jordan. At this point, I think they would come to the conclusion that the risk to their personnel and assets would be, or is, too great to justify the cost(s) when balanced against the possible benefits.
Plus, I could be wrong but I believe their stated "mission" is to translate articles which appear in the local newspapers, as well as, video's and broadcasts which appear on TV in the region. I don't see where they do a lot of independent reporting. Editorializing (sp?)? Definately. Independent reporting? I don't think they do to a great extent. Therefore, I don't believe that the need for people on the ground or fixed facilities in those countries is as great as say a media outlet that writes it's own stories and produces it own news broadcasts.
But then again, I'm not on their staff. Nor do I sit in during their meetings. So what do I know? |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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If Katrina came from God, (and I am not saying that it did) then my best guess would be as punishment for allowing Bush a second term in office.
The only thing wrong with that scenario is that the punishment seemed to hit all the innocent. I suppose though, in a way it exposed the Bush regime for what it is, selfish, wreckless, and dangerously incompetant. |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:00 am Post subject: |
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some waygug-in
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If Katrina came from God, (and I am not saying that it did) then my best guess would be as punishment for allowing Bush a second term in office.
The only thing wrong with that scenario is that the punishment seemed to hit all the innocent. I suppose though, in a way it exposed the Bush regime for what it is, selfish, wreckless, and dangerously incompetant. |
I had never heard of the website in the OP before running across it in a google looking inot a far different matter, and I'm guessing they are fringe and unremarkable - but they do not seem to be any kind of exception.
Fella named Tony Perkins, of James Dodson's Family Research Council, recently distributed this Message to the Faithful and Call to Prayer :
"America has committed grave national sins that are manifest in our public policies, our court rulings, our laws, and in many other spheres of our culture. Our involvement in the public arena may help godly counsel and common sense to prevail in the White House, the halls of Congress and the Supreme Court, but we have no control over the weather or many other natural events. Thus, we must bow before the Sovereign God of the Universe and appeal to Him for mercy, pleading for Him to intervene to stave off the judgments we deserve.
"Amid the media to-do about Katrina and who to blame for less-than-instant relief, few, very few, called for self-examination, repentance and a crying out to God for the moral change we must have as a nation. Whether we believe God sent or allowed these calamities we can be sure that America has received a warning from Heaven that WE MUST HEED
These people, by the way, are not insignicant and while they sound lunatic and fringey, they are listened to by the GOP and the conservative base currently in power.
The quotes come from a favorite blogger of mine who calls himself The Rude Pundit, and much as I do enjoy him, I usually can't quote hiim anywhere in mixed company because, well, because he really IS very rude. The following I can't resist passing on, though ...
But let's say, for a moment, that the Christian God is "warning" America, that it's a whole Sodom and Gomorrah deal. Maybe we could say that God's saying that it's time to work on the whole global warming thing. Maybe we could say that launching a big-time God attack on an oil production center says it's time to start buildin' more hybrid cars. Hell, maybe we could say that there's worse sins than tossin' a few coins on a craps table while gettin' fellated by your boyfriend. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| MEMRI is pro-Israel organization that "monitors" the press in coujntries throughout the Middle East yet their website that they have offices in Tel Aviv, New York, some Eurropean cities, but none in a any Arabic-speaking country. I have no reason to disrespect the quality of their translations but it is clear that they are not unbiased and it seems likely they pick and choose very carefully which articles they will translate, and thus their depiction of what is typical is likely to be skewed by that selection process. |
MEMRI provides a fantastic service by offering direct translations of interviews and speeches by senior muslims clerics and officials in the Islamic world, which are rarely reported in the Western press. It gives a great insight into what these leaders actually think, rather than what they want Western audiences to hear, and shines a light on Islamic intolerance at the highest level. Unsurprisingly, it is denounced as pro-Israeli or Zionist, yet nobody has challenged the accuracy of its translations. |
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