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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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 Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:28 pm Post subject: As Cheem was saying...(Hongdae spin-off) |
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What about a white quy with average looks that can't speak Korean? Does he need ________?
I'm just asking. |
I suspect that an average-looking white guy who can't speak Korean can do just as well, if not better, than one who can speak Korean. It's the quality and quantity of Korean women that increase with one's knowledge of the language. |
I agree with these two observations, and yet they're contradictory, aren't they? ('If you can't speak Korean, great! You'll probably do as well or better with the ladies than if you could. Then again, if you can speak Korean, you'll probably have a bigger and better selection'. ...uhhh... uh-huh.... huh?  )
I've read threads here and have a some personal experience which suggest there are Korean girls out there who find a Korean-speaking whitie lacks a certain novelty value, a freshness or cluelessness that some girls apparently find charming or useful. And despite very reasonable assumptions to the contrary, they really aren't all thick, superficial bubble-heads either, these girls. Not at all.
Yet it's also been my experience that once I started to learn Korean, I had an increasingly full calendar. And as Cheem says, a nicer assortment. Because the range wasn't so limited as before.
Yeah, I know this is a dumb thread. And it's probably going to sink and disappear very quick since I'm not bashing any group or poster. This was originally meant as just another post on the Baaaaaad Vibes in Hongdae thread, but when I hit "Submit", the thread had already been yanked. |
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BigBlackEquus
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Location: Lotte controls Asia with bad chocolate!
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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Is it just me, or does any half-interesting thread seem to get yanked off of here? Sure, you might make an argument that the thread degrades, but yanking the entire thread can be summed up in one word: LAZY
Threads like vibes in Hongdae contain valuable information based on feelings in the area. People want to know these sorts of things before they leave their home country and commit to life here.
Far too sanitized, and far too lazy. New people aren't getting the Korean reality. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| BigBlackEquus wrote: |
Is it just me, or does any half-interesting thread seem to get yanked off of here? Sure, you might make an argument that the thread degrades, but yanking the entire thread can be summed up in one word: LAZY
Threads like vibes in Hongdae contain valuable information based on feelings in the area. People want to know these sorts of things before they leave their home country and commit to life here.
Far too sanitized, and far too lazy. New people aren't getting the Korean reality. |
Well, my guess is, it was the reference to a particular knock-out(?) drug -- esp. within the implied context of dating/bedding Korean women -- in the last few posts of that deceased thread which prompted a Moderator to yank it. I'm not sure I wouldn't do the same.
Anyway, even prior to that the thread had degenerated into mud-slinging and axe-grinding to the extent that if I or any other poster were to have related further opinions/observations/experiences on the topic of baaaaad vibes in Hongdae (or Korea in general), they would have been labelled as Pollyannas or Jeremiahs, Korea-bashers or Korea-huggers, gyopo-bashers, etc.
I do wish there'd be a more measured approach to dealing with wayward threads. Trimming and pruning is good for the healthy growth of a tree and probably a thread, too. |
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cheem
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: As Cheem was saying...(Hongdae spin-off) |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| I agree with these two observations, and yet they're contradictory, aren't they? ('If you can't speak Korean, great! You'll probably do as well or better with the ladies than if you could. Then again, if you can speak Korean, you'll probably have a bigger and better selection'. ...uhhh... uh-huh.... huh? ) |
The gist was that there are so many Korean girls that a foreign man, irrespective of his Korean ability, can always have a full plate here. The men who can't speak Korean are limited to the free-spirited English-speaking types, while the men who can speak Korean lose out a bit on the English-speaking types but are free to experiment with the wholesome June Cleaver types and the sinister "Oppaaaa!" types. Of course, I prefer the latter for the selection. Since picking up some Korean Seoul has felt like a perpetual all-you-can-eat buffet.
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I've read threads here and have a some personal experience which suggest there are Korean girls out there who find a Korean-speaking whitie lacks a certain novelty value, a freshness or cluelessness that some girls apparently find charming or useful. And despite very reasonable assumptions to the contrary, they really aren't all thick, superficial bubble-heads either, these girls. Not at all.
Yet it's also been my experience that once I started to learn Korean, I had an increasingly full calendar. And as Cheem says, a nicer assortment. Because the range wasn't so limited as before. |
I think there's truth to these statements, and I'm basing this on my own personal preferences. My interest in Korean girls diminish as their English improves. K-girls that speak English possess absolutely no mystique whatsoever. The Korean accent is not sexy. Being an insensitive *beep* (and yes, that's an opening for Gwangjuboy or shakuhachi to enter this thread), I'd sooner subject a Korean to my English accent rather than listen to a Korean butcher another "F" or "Z". And in the interest of preserving this thread, I'll throw out that the English-speakers tend to be of the more promiscuous, less discriminating variety. Not knocking promiscuity -- I'd be a hypocrite otherwise -- but I like to pick my fruit from the tree once in awhile.
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| Yeah, I know this is a dumb thread. And it's probably going to sink and disappear very quick since I'm not bashing any group or poster. This was originally meant as just another post on the Baaaaaad Vibes in Hongdae thread, but when I hit "Submit", the thread had already been yanked. |
Any thread about Korean girls has potential. And I just noticed they pulled that other thread. My post count has been halved. I can't help but feel somewhat responsible; in fact, I can't remember the last time I so utterly and completely demolished a thread. I even admitted that I was hijacking it. What does it take to get banned here? |
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shakuhachi
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: As Cheem was saying...(Hongdae spin-off) |
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| And in the interest of preserving this thread, I'll throw out that the English-speakers tend to be of the more promiscuous, less discriminating variety. Not knocking promiscuity -- I'd be a hypocrite otherwise -- but I like to pick my fruit from the tree once in awhile. |
Thats what I have been saying for ages. Its probably not fair to say its all the English speakers, but if you are a white guy being approached by a Korean girl in Itaewon, then it is reasonable to assume they are. We have seen enough disaster stories on daves to know that. I always find it amusing that many posters preface descriptions of their Koreans girlfriends with "she speaks English well", as if that was a good thing, and as if she had learned English in a void and not how she actually learned it (by dating 20-30 English teachers before the poster).
If you dont speak Korean then the girls choose you. You dont have a choice in who you date, just a choice from the girls that are offering. If you can speak Korean you have the option of dating all kinds of Korean girls, as cheem points out. You can even change the minds of Korean girls that had prejudiced ideas about foreigners before meeting you (or, you can reinforce the prejudice  ). |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| Speaking for myself personally, I like bad-ass misfit girls. The kind who are smart, strong, intelligent, adventurous, a touch rebellious, and perhaps most importantly, worldly. Everyone I could see myself getting involved with in Korea spoke English at a good-enough level. I'll leave the 1950's housemaid types for those of you actually care enough to be fluent in Korean. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:47 am Post subject: Re: As Cheem was saying...(Hongdae spin-off) |
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... And in the interest of preserving this thread, I'll throw . I always find it amusing that many posters preface descriptions of their Koreans girlfriends with "she speaks English well", as if that was a good thing, and as if she had learned English in a void and not how she actually learned it (by dating 20-30 English teachers before the poster)...
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This line of reasoning makes my eyes bleed. Seriously though why is it so hard for you to believe that Koreans are incapable of learning English on their own, or with a English-speaking friend (platonic) or studied it on their own as well as in college? Dating English teachers is not the only way to learn English. Hard work and study is much more important. |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:52 am Post subject: Re: As Cheem was saying...(Hongdae spin-off) |
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| cheem wrote: |
y. And in the interest of preserving this thread, I'll throw out that the English-speakers tend to be of the more promiscuous, less discriminating variety. Not knocking promiscuity -- I'd be a hypocrite otherwise -- but I like to pick my fruit from the tree once in awhile.
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Haha, well thank god for that!  Honestly though, it seems to me that most women who combine the traits of intelligence, worldliness, and modernity in this country can speak some English. There are enough of them around, at least. |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:12 am Post subject: Re: As Cheem was saying...(Hongdae spin-off) |
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| shakuhachi wrote: |
| cheem wrote: |
| And in the interest of preserving this thread, I'll throw out that the English-speakers tend to be of the more promiscuous, less discriminating variety. Not knocking promiscuity -- I'd be a hypocrite otherwise -- but I like to pick my fruit from the tree once in awhile. |
Thats what I have been saying for ages. Its probably not fair to say its all the English speakers, but if you are a white guy being approached by a Korean girl in Itaewon, then it is reasonable to assume they are. We have seen enough disaster stories on daves to know that. I always find it amusing that many posters preface descriptions of their Koreans girlfriends with "she speaks English well", as if that was a good thing, and as if she had learned English in a void and not how she actually learned it (by dating 20-30 English teachers before the poster).
If you dont speak Korean then the girls choose you. You dont have a choice in who you date, just a choice from the girls that are offering. If you can speak Korean you have the option of dating all kinds of Korean girls, as cheem points out. You can even change the minds of Korean girls that had prejudiced ideas about foreigners before meeting you (or, you can reinforce the prejudice ). |
I'd say the 20-30 english teachers part of the post is overly cynical. i mean, how would explain korean men who speak english well? having they been plucking the fruit of canada's youth from the dark, sticky corners of limelight?
there's girls who speak english, and there's girls who speak english and approach white dudes in itaewon. i think the "approaching white dudes in itaewon" part is the part you have to be suspicious of, not the english speaking part.
but, having said that, i do know what you're talking about |
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shakuhachi
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:27 am Post subject: Re: As Cheem was saying...(Hongdae spin-off) |
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| This line of reasoning makes my eyes bleed. Seriously though why is it so hard for you to believe that Koreans are incapable of learning English on their own, or with a English-speaking friend (platonic) or studied it on their own as well as in college? Dating English teachers is not the only way to learn English. Hard work and study is much more important. |
Perhaps you missed my HUGE qualifier when I wrote "Its probably not fair to say its all the English speakers, but if you are a white guy being approached by a Korean girl in Itaewon...".
Nobody said Korean girls are incapable of learning English on their own, or with platonic friends (but really, how many Korean girls have platonic foreign male friends as opposed to boyfriends?).
If a Korean girl ever greets you by saying 'sup?', run for the hills. |
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bobbyhanlon
Joined: 09 Nov 2003
Location: 서울
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:41 am Post subject: |
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| If a Korean girl ever greets you by saying 'sup?', run for the hills. |
as true as anything ever written on this board...
also.. am i the only one who runs a mile those who say, 'i like western guys, they're so open-minded'... translation being, if it even needs to be made, that 'all western guys are randy buggers who are only after one night stands, and that suits me fine because i'm like that too!' |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:42 am Post subject: Re: As Cheem was saying...(Hongdae spin-off) |
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| shakuhachi wrote: |
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| This line of reasoning makes my eyes bleed. Seriously though why is it so hard for you to believe that Koreans are incapable of learning English on their own, or with a English-speaking friend (platonic) or studied it on their own as well as in college? Dating English teachers is not the only way to learn English. Hard work and study is much more important. |
Perhaps you missed my HUGE qualifier when I wrote "Its probably not fair to say its all the English speakers, but if you are a white guy being approached by a Korean girl in Itaewon...".
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But then you went on to say " I always find it amusing that many posters preface descriptions of their Koreans girlfriends with "she speaks English well", as if she had learned English in a void and not how she actually learned it (by dating 20-30 English teachers before the poster)....
It sounded like you were assuming that the majority of posters had picked up their girlfriend in Itaewon, which is not necessarily the case. |
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jg
Joined: 27 May 2003
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Why do so many guys think that dating a girl who doesn't speak English means she isn't day old bread? Lets not leave any girls out of the skank bag now!
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| My interest in Korean girls diminish as their English improves. K-girls that speak English possess absolutely no mystique whatsoever |
Is that all there is to mystique? Must seem like a buffet indeed, and I guess a girl who you could speak to in English or Korean might be too much? The guys who like em real natural-like are filling a popular fantasy, but I guess everyone is to some extent. |
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cheem
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Why do so many guys think that dating a girl who doesn't speak English means she isn't day old bread? Lets not leave any girls out of the skank bag now! |
Not sure of the others, but I certainly haven't suggested that. My point was that speaking Korean = more (better?) options.
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| Is that all there is to mystique? Must seem like a buffet indeed, and I guess a girl who you could speak to in English or Korean might be too much? |
There's more, but language is a big part of the equation. Hideous Korean accent aside, a lot of the girls who speak English well, many who have spent time overseas, have adopted the mindset and mannerisms of their Western counterparts. Nothing wrong with that but where's the mystique?
And why would a Korean girl who can speak English, speak Korean to me? I might as well have "FREE ENGLISH" tattooed on my forehead. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| Speaking as someone who began studying Korean in 1987, there is much truth to what shakuhachi says. |
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