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Tiger Beer
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 Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:49 am Post subject: Kurdistan |
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What do you think? Any land that has between 60-100% of the people in it all being of the same type of people.. should they be given their own sovereignty over that land?
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| Following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after the First World War, the Turkish, British and French drew up and signed two treaties - the Treaty of Ankara in 1921 and the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923. The result of these treaties was the annexation of Kurdistan into its modern day host countries - Turkey, Iraq, Syria, and Iran. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:06 am Post subject: |
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It'd be good to see a kurdish homeland in the North of Iraq.
In fact I'd go for a full partitioning of iraq into several new states, along ethno-religious lines.
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Tiger Beer
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:19 am Post subject: |
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Here is another article on Kurdistan: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GH31Ak04.html
Speaks about how they already have their own airlines (Kurdistan Airlines) and have a nice comfort that is even attracting Arabs from Baghdad because it has more peace than elsewhere. More than anything, always been an extremely different 'country' than Iraq.
Regarding Iraq going into different parts.. I'm 100% for it.. Kirkuk should be 100% Kurd though - its been traditionally their city despite that Sunni Arabs are mixed into that population as well.
But Sunni Kurds, Sunni Arabs and Shia Arabs should be separated and each under their own sovereignty.
Regarding Turkey.. uggh.. what an annoying country. Kurdistan can't have sovereignty, because they prefer to slaughter and persecute them (with the EU's authorization I guess - EU citizenship for that?).
Kurdistan lost it due to TURKEY, France, and England re-drawing the maps like that 75 years ago. Sure the Ottoman Empire went down, but it doesn't mean Turkey gets massive land deals out of the situation and slaughter the people as they wish for the next 75+ years. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
Kurdistan lost it due to TURKEY, France, and England re-drawing the maps like that 75 years ago. Sure the Ottoman Empire went down, but it doesn't mean Turkey gets massive land deals out of the situation and slaughter the people as they wish for the next 75+ years. |
I agree and the whole idea of redrawing boundaries along ethnic divides I find fascinating.
Not to detract from your thread, but just consider the classic example, Africa. National boundaries today are relatively unchanged since their arbitrary delineations in the 17th century by European colonisers, although warfare has started to evolve a more realistic territory.
If you were to redraw Africa now along its thousands of ethnic boundaries, it would look something like this.
"Because of their large size and ethnic diversity, African countries are better suited for federated democracy. A federated system would allow various ethnic groups autonomy over their territories, with the ensuing accountability for resource management and obligations to the national union."
http://www.worldsecuritynetwork.com/showArticle3.cfm?article_id=11012&topicID=67
-anyway- back to Iraq:) |
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Tiger Beer
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:48 am Post subject: |
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AFRICA needs some SERIOUS re-drawing of the maps. European powers created and drew those lines dividing ethnicities to create the tensions to retain the power over the continent.
That does deserve its own thread.. I wouldn't mind looking at the different ways those could be drawn up. |
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rapier
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:52 am Post subject: |
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Ahem..yes, the Kurdish struggle for self-determination has been going on for some time.
Kurdish people have continually resisted the cruel oppression and colonialization of them in these three major parts of Kurdistan, both before and after World War I, up to the present day. They have struggled to keep alive their identity, claim their national rights, and freely determine their own destiny. During this struggle, the Kurds have lost hundreds of thousands of their people and have been the victims of mass expulsions. Tremendous suffering has been inflicted on them. This is in fact a case of genocide. But unfortunately, neither the League of Nations nor the United Nations have lived up to their responsibilities in the face of our people's tragedy. They have merely been onlookers of these events.
http://members.aol.com/KHilfsvere/Kurds.html |
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