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Emotions over justice.

 
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:16 am    Post subject: Emotions over justice. Reply with quote

In Korea, I think that personal emotions outweigh the way the legal system is run here.
I think the government is too afraid of bad public opinion to make a logical legal decision. Especially in case of foreigners.

Cases in point;

~ A foreign man is walking with his girlfriend. They are fooling around, chasing each other down the street. Then she hits him on the arm and he playfully spanks her and runs. A Korean man sees this and automatically come to the woman's "rescue". He attacks the foreigner. The girl tries to stop the fight but gets knocked down and a bloody nose. The foreign starts to defend himself until 3 other Korean men intervene on behalf of the Korean "rescuer".
The police come and the Koreans say that the foreigner attacked the woman. Seeing that the woman has a bloody nose, they arrest the foreigner.
At the police station, the woman tries to convince the officer that he was her boyfriend that they were playing around. The Korean man says "Why do you defend such foreign scum?"
The officer looks are her and she becomes quiet.
A few days later, the Korean man's entire family is at court watching the whole proceedings (I mean the WHOLE family, cousins, uncles, aunts, etc.) waving their arms demanding justice.
The court sides with the Korean man and the foreigner is sent to jail for 2 years for assault.


~ A foreigner is riding his moped down the street and he stops at a cross-walk where the cross-walk sign is green yet there is no one crossing. Then a car comes speeding around the turn, smashing right into the car. The moped rider is on the ground, his clothes tattered and blood everywhere. The driver of the car gets out and starts yelling at the guy on the moped, asking why did he stop at the cross-walk if no one is there. The police come and the driver tells him that the moped rider just stopped for no reason and he had no time to stop his car. But the foreigner, who is fluent in Korean, tells the cop that he stopped because the cross-walk sign was green. The driver flies into a rage and yells at the cop, "Are you going to believe this foreign sh%t over a Korean?" The cop calmly walks over to the foreigner and gives him a ticket and walks away. And since the police sided with the driver, he is removed from all liability for the accident.

These are stories I got from people I have met.
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Freezer Burn



Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's heresay, but I'd believe it, it makes you wonder why we come here if we are treated like sh-it, and face it we are treated like sh-it at every corner.
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Freezer Burn



Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe we have a sh-it fetish Wink
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Leslie Cheswyck



Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile

PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From a bit before my time here: The Great Subway Riot of '95

http://usacrime.or.kr/Eng/ChoJK.htm

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Riot case in Seoul Chungmuro subway train station

Date and Time of the Incident : 11 p.m. May 19th, 1995
Location of the Incident : Chungmuro Subway Station, Seoul
Victim : Mr. CHO Jung-kook (M, 30 at that time)
Assaulter : Lance Corporal Golina (31 at that time) and 13 other US soldiers and family of the US soldiers.

May 19th, 1995, Lance Corporal Golina and 13 other US soldiers and families created a disturbance by shouting and swearing, on the third line of the number three subway train. They were severly drunk. Moreover, they made sexual harassments, such as touching the hips of a 40 year old lady. Mr. Cho, who was angry to at seeing these injustices and protested strongly. The soldiers and their families followed Mr. Cho, who was getting off the train in the Cuungmuro Station, and tripped him and kicked him in the waist and face for over 5 minuets. Mr. Cho was taken to the hospital and the US soldiers and their families were surrounded and taken to the Subway Police by angry citizens who witnessed this incident. But their misbehavior did not stop even in the Police station. Over 50 citizens who witnessed the whole process of this incident followed these military personnel until 3 am, protesting and demonstrating these unjust acts. Meanwhile, the victim Mr. Cho, demanded official apology from the US Army and demonstrated by not eating anything from June 8th to June 11th in front of the Yong-san US Army Headquarters, 1st gate.

During the trial of this incident, Lance Corporal Golina was accused in act of violence and violation of law and was sentenced to 6 months in prison, Gary Dorrigoin , Corporal Grophgrant and assaulter's wife, who is a Korean, Mrs. Golina So-hee was sentenced to 500,000, 1,000,000, 500,000 wons each as penalty. Meanwhile, the US reported that they will pay 933,839 wons for the compensation, which was only half the compensation that the Korean Compensation Committee decided, but Mr. Cho strongly protested against this and declined to receive this compensation. Finally, the US sent the 2,000,000 won of compensation with an official letter of apology.



http://blog.marmot.cc/archives/2003/10/24/its-about-fuckin-time/

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Yeah, and things like the 1995 Seoul subway riot in which American servicemen ��provoked�� a bloody riot with Korean passengers after one of the former ��sexually harassed�� a Korean woman. Of course, nowhere in their write-up on this incident is it included that the victim of the ��sexually harassment�� was one of the servicemen��s wife (and he slapped her on the ass, horror of horrors), and that she was arrested together with the servicemen.


Edit: http://www.dprkstudies.org/documents/anti-us001.html
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I came to Korea a year after that incident happened and that was the news for much of the time I was here the first time.

During my "in-briefing", the S-2 NCOIC used this as an example of what not to do in public.

He said; "No matter what the case is or what relationship you have with a particular person. If the person is Korean, never touch them in a way that looks like an assault"

That sticks with me even today.
So I tend never to joke around with anyone in public.

But it re-enforces my argument that Koreans don't care if a person is a soldier or a teacher. To the average Korean, they are one and the same. And it doesn't matter if the person has been here a week, a month, a year or even a decade. To Koreans, we could only be viewed as "guests".

Another example of injustice, I guess, would be the death of Matthew Seller.
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plattwaz



Joined: 08 Apr 2005
Location: <Write something dumb here>

PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lastat06513 wrote:


But it re-enforces my argument that Koreans don't care if a person is a soldier or a teacher. To the average Korean, they are one and the same. And it doesn't matter if the person has been here a week, a month, a year or even a decade. To Koreans, we could only be viewed as "guests".


Guests? Over the years I have been here, I most often get the feeling that foreigners are viewed as "intruders."
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