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| Did your employer ask you to do anything illegal? |
| Yes and I complied with the request |
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43% |
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| Yes but I did not comply with the request |
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29% |
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| No my employer would never ask such a thing |
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13% |
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| No not yet anyway |
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YoungLi
Joined: 06 Sep 2005
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 Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:20 pm Post subject: Survey: Has your employer asked you do something illegal? |
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| Have you ever been asked to work without a proper visa? Has your boss asked or pressured you into working at locations not approved by immigration? Have you ever been asked or told to give an A grade to a student who didn't attend class or didn't deserve an A (maybe not entirely illegal but borderline)? etc. etc. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:12 am Post subject: |
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| Actually my old boss asked me to lie about my taxes. I told her she should reconsider ever mentioning that to me again. |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| At my first two jobs in '97 and '98 this happened but not since then. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:03 am Post subject: |
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Mine hasn't asked me to do anything illegal, but I'm not sure what the deal is with my taxes. He's never withheld taxes from my pay, and when I asked him about it he told me that he would just take care of it at the end of my contract.  |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| told to give an A grade to a student who didn't attend class or didn't deserve an A (maybe not entirely illegal but borderline). |
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ajuma
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
| told to give an A grade to a student who didn't attend class or didn't deserve an A (maybe not entirely illegal but borderline). |
RR: That's not illegal...it's immoral, and unfair to the students who actually worked for the grade. I had the same thing happen to me last semester when I was asked to give A grades to PE students who had never come to class but had done well in their sport. I went to the PE class leader and asked him to ask his classmates how they felt about it. After all, it would be THEIR grades that would be affected as we grade on a curve. The verdict was that it was totally unfair. I told them that I would go to bat for them if necessary and NOT give A grades to students who hadn't come to class. I gave Fs where deserved and never heard a word about it.
As to the OP's topic!! I only was asked to do that at one school...and that's the school I ended up doing a runner from! Goes to show!! |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:55 am Post subject: |
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I was forced to change grades a few times. In fact once I had to re-test an entire class because the teacher felt I'd been too strict with them. It wasn't possible that they hadn't done a good job.
I was asked several times to work on Saturdays. Not illegal but against my contract.
Is going on a school trip technically illegal because you're not at your designated workplace? |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Was farmed out to a few local schools from a hogwon. This was long ago, before we knew it was illegal. Great experience, as it was my only time inside a proper Korean classroom. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: Survey: Has your employer asked you do something illegal |
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Not so much asked. Yeah, I have been expected to do something illegal, to teach some classes before my visa trip to Japan. It wasn't treated like a big deal because to their mind it's a small thing. I'm sure I could have insisted on waiting the few days first. Given the furor this year over ESL teachers, I'd probably not do it again, even one day is a day too much if the police decide to crackdown on it.
| YoungLi wrote: |
| Have you ever been asked or told to give an A grade to a student who didn't attend class or didn't deserve an A (maybe not entirely illegal but borderline) |
That's not even borderline. It's nowhere near illegal. It's unethical though. Thank goodness there's a huge divide between law and morality in free countries. And no, I haven't been asked to do anything like that. |
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antoniothegreat
Joined: 28 Aug 2005
Location: Yangpyeong
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject: g |
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simple thought, does it seem that we (westerners) would be more opposed to doing something immoral (like giving grades) than illegal? I myself, would consider doing something illegal depending on my situation, my other dispotes, potential danger....
but if i was asked to change a grade, i would tell them to F off. |
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sadsac
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Gwangwang
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, at our previous hagwon. We worked two additional weeks because the owner cocked up the visas for the new teachers. First and last time.  |
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YoungLi
Joined: 06 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| Okay, the poll is up to 25 votes and we are at 80% yes, 20% no. Please vote if you haven't done so! Don't be shy. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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Have you ever had one that *didn't?*  |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
| told to give an A grade to a student who didn't attend class or didn't deserve an A (maybe not entirely illegal but borderline). |
Haha, my old hogwan stopped letting me fill out report cards because I refused to lie. Instead wongjongnim-babo had the KTs fill out the FTs part in a different coloured pen. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:10 pm Post subject: Re: g |
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| antoniothegreat wrote: |
simple thought, does it seem that we (westerners) would be more opposed to doing something immoral (like giving grades) than illegal? I myself, would consider doing something illegal depending on my situation, my other dispotes, potential danger....
but if i was asked to change a grade, i would tell them to F off. |
Exactly. |
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