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Bush overruled Cheney on use of military in Buffalo!

 
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:06 am    Post subject: Bush overruled Cheney on use of military in Buffalo! Reply with quote

This seems to indicate that there may actually have been times when W thought for himself! Who'da thunk it?

Bush mulled sending troops into Buffalo

WASHINGTON � The Bush administration in 2002 considered sending U.S. troops into a Buffalo, N.Y., suburb to arrest a group of terror suspects in what would have been a nearly unprecedented use of military power, The New York Times reported.

Vice President Dick Cheney and several other Bush advisers at the time strongly urged that the military be used to apprehend men who were suspected of plotting with al Qaida
, who later became known as the Lackawanna Six, the Times reported on its Web site Friday night. It cited former administration officials who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The proposal advanced to at least one-high level administration meeting, before President George W. Bush decided against it.

Dispatching troops into the streets is virtually unheard of. The Constitution and various laws restrict the military from being used to conduct domestic raids and seize property.

According to the Times, Cheney and other Bush aides said an Oct. 23, 2001, Justice Department memo gave broad presidential authority that allowed Bush to use the domestic use of the military against al-Qaida if it was justified on the grounds of national security, rather than law enforcement.

Among those arguing for the military use besides Cheney were his legal adviser David S. Addington and some senior Defense Department officials, the Times reported.

Opposing the idea were Condoleezza Rice, then the national security adviser; John B. Bellinger III, the top lawyer at the National Security Council; FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III; and Michael Chertoff, then the head of the Justice Department's criminal division.

Bush ultimately nixed the proposal and ordered the FBI to make the arrests in Lackawanna. The men were subsequently arrested and pleaded guilty to terrorism-related charges.

Scott L. Silliman, a Duke University law professor specializing in national security law, told the Times that a U.S. president had not deployed the active-duty military on domestic soil in a law enforcement capacity, without specific statutory authority, since the Civil War.
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a pity he wasn't as hot into the idea of sending troops into New Orleans. Wink
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dmbfan



Joined: 09 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its a pity he wasn't as hot into the idea of sending troops into New Orleans.




Tell me, how does one send a troops into a flooded area?


OH......National Gaurd troops are also under control of the governor.


So, why didn't the governor displace the troops and send them out accordingly? Why didn't the governor take the initial advice and get citizens on those buses ...and get them the heck out of there?

Why didn't the people actually lizten to the news and leave?



It's all a biiiiiiiiig mystery.


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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Bush overruled Cheney on use of military in Buffalo! Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
This seems to indicate that there may actually have been times when W thought for himself! Who'da thunk it?

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That would be me.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:46 am    Post subject: Re: Bush overruled Cheney on use of military in Buffalo! Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
bacasper wrote:
This seems to indicate that there may actually have been times when W thought for himself! Who'da thunk it?

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That would be me.

So you're the one Surprised Exclamation
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mateomiguel



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is a non-story. Bush chose not to go with the radical fear-inducing over the top response, and instead chose the appropriate response. But remember guys, he's still a stupid monkey who can't think for himself.
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tell me, how does one send a troops into a flooded area?


Ask the US Army and maybe the Canadian Army as well.

They seemed to be able to do it in Holland in 1944/45.

From my understanding, the Germans broke the dikes in many places and the US Army managed to still fight thier way through there.

It must have been harder in WW2, or maybe not. I did read somewhere that New Orleans was considered a dangerous city Wink
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