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Prince Frog



Joined: 03 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:26 pm    Post subject: Public School in Gyeonggi Reply with quote

Ok, another question. I have been offered a position at a public school in Gyeonggi, an hour away from Seoul. I have two other hagwan options, both of which start out at a little higher pay than the public school. However, I was told by a Pusanamy recruiter that after school programs would augment my pay substantially, in the end making the public school position more lucrative. the question is, can I trust him? He assured me that he had double-checked with his boss, and spoken with the principle, and that this would be the case. Furthermore, I have been promised a two-bedroom apt. in addition to all of the other benefits that go along with a public school. Can anyone advise me on this? I am leaning towards the public school gig, but I suppose I am a little paranoid, as I have never been to korea, and am, in all respects, a newbie. Thanks.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What kind of money is he talking about?

No, I wouldn't trust him when he says that you'll be able to augment your salary.

However, I would gladly take a good public school job for say 1.9 over a crap hogwan for 2.2.
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Prince Frog



Joined: 03 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The public school contract offers 1.9, as you say, and the hogwon position 2.1, with the potential for a lot of extra hours and extra pay (which is good). the public school position, according to the recruiter, says that I could pull in around 200,000-300,00 won a month by participating in after school activities. There is no stipulation in the contract to this effect however, and it seems impossible to contact the school as there are no foreign teachers who could provide me with further information. Any suggestions as to how I could go about finding out if this is true or not? And for you experienced public schoolers, what are the chances of making more money in said position legally?

I really want to take the public school job but I want to be sure that I am not going to get the shaft with regard to pay. I hate to be so materialistic, but such is life.
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Hobophobic



Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can do the after school prgrm and get more money - provided the school sees a need for it.

At my school I teach grade ones and twos, as well as the other teachers who want it for the extra classes.

I do this during the time I am required to be at the school any way (840-440) and still have lots of breaks...ex: now.

The contract is for 22 class hours a week (1 class is 40mins), and anything extra is gravy....

I can speculate the reason for you not being able to contact a foreign teacher as either the school has yet to have one, or the teacher jetted - since hiring was done and most started back in Sept.

As for Hogwon jobs...I stayed at the same place for 4 years prior to this and I won't go into any real detail but simply say...hmm...run away! run away!...but in all fairness there are ups and downs with anything we do...

hope this helped....out..
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if some extra cash is that important, you could make far more doing a few privates a couple evenings a week - probably easier to arrange with a public school job.

Again, not knowing, you're better off taking the public school job; however, nothing's for sure, and there are some decent and cushy hogwans (though a minority).
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The public school contract offers 1.9, as you say, and the hogwon position 2.1, with the potential for a lot of extra hours and extra pay (which is good).


Firstly, may I say that the "I'd rather have public for 1.9 than Hakwon for 2.2" is a pertinent observation indeed.

Second, be careful. In contracts, "hours" and "classes" are not synonymous. Thus one could teach 22 x 50 min contract classes and be under the illusion that more classes automatically equalled more pay ("extra hours and extra pay" - not necessarily). If you haven't already, ask how long classes are at the Hakwon. At the public school, classes and hours ARE deemed synonymous and you won't have this problem.

Be careful of Yu Bum's privates advice (if you'll pardon the expression). They're illegal and you could end up losing out on 13 x 2mil salary payments for the sake of an extra w40k. You might not get caught but the law is enforced and it's very strict.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SPINOZA wrote:
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Be careful of Yu Bum's privates advice (if you'll pardon the expression). They're illegal and you could end up losing out on 13 x 2mil salary payments for the sake of an extra w40k. You might not get caught but the law is enforced and it's very strict.


This is a very fair point, but while I've never done privates I have many friends who have, and don't personally know anyone who's been caught doing a few on the side. If you're careful and discreet and able to do them at a private residence the risk is low - and a lot less hassle than trying to do extra lessons for more money at a public school.
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Prince Frog



Joined: 03 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for the advice. Come what may I have decided to go for the public school. With luck I will soon see all of you in Korea.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be sure to let the hogwans know that you took a public school job for less money because of what you've heard about the hogwan system.
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Hobophobic



Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
Be sure to let the hogwans know that you took a public school job for less money because of what you've heard about the hogwan system.


Totally agree there...just send them a polite to the point email. Wink
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BigBlackEquus



Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Location: Lotte controls Asia with bad chocolate!

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And if you take the hagwon job, let the Public School know that you don't want to work there because the pay is lower, and the vacation is only 2 weeks.
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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA

PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My experience is that it's easy to get extra evening classes and extra pay at a public school (I work at a public high school) Some students pay to take extra evening classes, and I've also had evening classes for adult "citizens" and for elementary age kids. Currently, I do extra classes (either one or two hours - ending by 8:30pm) four evenings a week.

I also think you get a lot more vacation time at public schools when you figure in all the time off during exams ... At the two hogwans I've worked at it was always hard to plan vacations because the director would wait to see what the competing hogwans were doing...
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigBlackEquus wrote:
And if you take the hagwon job, let the Public School know that you don't want to work there because the pay is lower, and the vacation is only 2 weeks.


RE: vacation. That's still a bit more than you get at the typical hakwon. It's usually about 10 days (including weekends)
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
My experience is that it's easy to get extra evening classes and extra pay at a public school (I work at a public high school) Some students pay to take extra evening classes, and I've also had evening classes for adult "citizens" and for elementary age kids. Currently, I do extra classes (either one or two hours - ending by 8:30pm) four evenings a week.

I also think you get a lot more vacation time at public schools when you figure in all the time off during exams ... At the two hogwans I've worked at it was always hard to plan vacations because the director would wait to see what the competing hogwans were doing...


elementary schools don't get exam time and such.
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