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funplanet



Joined: 20 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:31 pm    Post subject: Disney Seoul Reply with quote

We have all heard the rumours about Disney coming to Seoul...or at least Koreans vision that it will come...my co-workers are all running around talking like it will open next month.... Rolling Eyes

Now, with Disney Tokyo and Disney Hong Kong, does anyone here think that it could feasibly work? Tokyo and HK are major tourist destinations and therefore can support a Disney, but Seoul?????

We have Everland and Seoul Land, which are not exactly big foreign tourist draws but for us here, they suffice....

I still don't think a Disney will draw in the several million tourists needed to sustain it..it's in danger of being built for only the Korean tourists and again, can the numbers sustain it and uphold the Disney reputation???

I am an eternal optimist but I just don't see it happening? Tokyo and HK are enough for this area (maybe a Disney Beijing would make more sense) but I don't see millions getting on a plane to come to Korea just for Disney (except for the hardcore Disney fans)...the tourist numbers for Korea just don't add up...

any thoughts or comments?
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mishlert



Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: On the 3rd rock from the sun

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disneyland Coming to Korea
It has been learned that the U.S. Walt Disney Company, famous for its theme parks and animation, plans to establish an amusement park at Seoul Grand Park in Gwacheon.

The Seoul metropolitan government said Sunday that in early August, officials from the company��s headquarters and its Seoul office visited Seoul City Hall to discuss its plan, and the Seoul government offered information on geographical features and transportation around the park.
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200411/200411070031.html

November 09, 2004
Disneyland Korea?

Apparently The Walt Disney Company feels the Asia market is vastly untapped. Talks have been under way to build a new Disney Themepark in South Korea. With a park in Hong Kong under construction, Two parks in Tokyo, and talks about a park near Shanghai, Disney looks to make their themeparks as ubiquitous as the movie theatre. Still, we get no news about South America or Australia. Hmmm.
http://thedisneyblog.typepad.com/tdb/2004/11/disneyland_kore.html
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard that they're going to completely dismantle Euro-Disney and ship it to Korea, brick by brick. Nobody in France would notice it was missing, and nobody in Korea would notice that it wasn't truly an 'American' product.
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joe_doufu



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was at an Amcham luncheon featuring the project manager of HK Disneyland last year. As a former Disney Online employee, I keep an interest in what's happening. When asked the obvious question "Where next?", he said they hadn't decided for sure whether it would be Beijing or Shanghai, but definitely they would be opening a park in mainland China around 2010.

I think Hong Kong is really just a practice run for a mainland China venture... it's primarily targeted at mainland tourists.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too don't think Seoul could support one but it does have a crowded population density and Koreans do go ga ga for all things that are western (whether they want to believe it or not - koreans are one of the most franchised countries in the world already) so it could work..

Disney apparently are going to open it in Shanghai..

I think 1 in Hong Kong and Shanghai plus the one in Tokyo, i don't think Korea will see one
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think 1 in Hong Kong and Shanghai plus the one in Tokyo, i don't think Korea will see one


good point, well made.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typical business expansion.

Disney theme parks as a business is mature, late in its lifecycle. Finding new markets and expanding to smaller markets are typical ways of extending the life cycle of a consumer product (finding new revenue streams to replace the naturally depleting sales, on the sloping 'S' curve).

Marketing 101.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bulsajo wrote:
I heard that they're going to completely dismantle Euro-Disney and ship it to Korea, brick by brick. Nobody in France would notice it was missing, and nobody in Korea would notice that it wasn't truly an 'American' product.


They actually renamed EuroDisney to "Disneyland Paris" because test marketing had revealed that the word "euro" since the expansion of the EU had taken on a connotation of big, bloated, officious, dull, and grey. The company itself is still called EuroDisney but the park has undergone a major name change.
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:

They actually renamed EuroDisney to "Disneyland Paris" because test marketing had revealed that the word "euro" since the expansion of the EU had taken on a connotation of big, bloated, officious, dull, and grey. The company itself is still called EuroDisney but the park has undergone a major name change.

So, has the name change worked? Has attendence increased?
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joe_doufu



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
Typical business expansion.

Disney theme parks as a business is mature, late in its lifecycle.


I think you're mistaken. Disneylands were found in only one country for most of the past fifty years. Since the 1990s (?) they've expanded to three more. This is a curve that's just beginning to get steeper and steeper as world prosperity increases. There will be bigger and bigger markets, not smaller ones. There will be multiple Disneyland Chinas, Disneyland India, Disneyland Mexico and Disneyland Brazil, more in Europe (maybe Turkey) and someday they'll go to the currently ailing giants like Russia and Indonesia -- before having to go after "smaller markets"
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joe_doufu



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bulsajo wrote:
mindmetoo wrote:

They actually renamed EuroDisney to "Disneyland Paris" because test marketing had revealed that the word "euro" since the expansion of the EU had taken on a connotation of big, bloated, officious, dull, and grey. The company itself is still called EuroDisney but the park has undergone a major name change.

So, has the name change worked? Has attendence increased?

Yes.
It was more than just a name change, though. Eurodisney was a flop because it tried to import American culture into Europe, including the American idea of "family-friendly" meaning no alcohol. Disneyland Paris changed a lot of things, especially the restaurant menus. They noticed that, while Americans value a family dinner together, many Europeans consider lunch to be the most important meal, so they retooled the restaurants.

Disney learned. Before going to HK, they did extensive research on Chinese and Asian consumers. They had a checklist of priorities for park-goers. American respondants put "riding the rides" at #1, while Asians ranked "picture-taking" as the #1 activity and "shopping for souvenirs" higher on the list, too. So Disney designed the park with a lot more "scenery" and sets for photo moments.
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