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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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 Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:48 am Post subject: Just a bitch about discrimination |
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For those who think everything is an attack against Islam, ignore the following.
I have a complaint. Why is so much issue made about Palestinians when this nation deserves so much more sympathy. These people have lived here longer than Jesus Christ. Held their beliefs, wanted freedom of choice, etc. Why aren't we supporting them?
http://www.irja.org/eypij.htm
Yes, I care about them. I want them to be free.
I read a Red Cross report. 200 Men, women and children taken out for a boat ride and the women were raped before being thrown over board. Why isn't this a global disgrace in the non islamic world, are we really that racist?
http://www.irja.org/politics/jihad%20and%20genocide.txt
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When the Bush administration completed a policy review regarding
military assistance toward Indonesia, it was concluded that
military cooperation with Indonesia is of symbolic significance
and will help to maintain ties between Jakarta and Washington.
Seen as a possible reward to Indonesia for joining the war on
terrorism, Bush lifted the ban on the sale of non-lethal arms to
Indonesia following a visit to Washington by Indonesia's President
Megawati. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:14 am Post subject: |
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Irian Jaya or more correctly, Papua, is a vast, little developed
and somewhat isolated region occupying the western half of the
island of New Guinea. Colonial interests (Dutch, German and
English) carved up this island to form artificial boundaries that
are considered entirely inappropriate by most people. Being
Melanesian rather than Asian and Christian rather than Muslim,
Papua now sits awkwardly within the Republic of Indonesia. The
region is at a critical stage and I have visited the area many
times over the past four years. These visits took place before the
introduction of Special Autonomy for the province and also before
the murder, in December 2001, of Theys Eluay, tribal leader and
moderator of the Papuan Congress. |
This was carried out by special forces after he was invited for dinner by them. The driver of his vehicle is still missing. The Colonel of the Unit was recently judged by the Courts. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:23 am Post subject: |
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Papua already has a brutal history. International organisations
estimate 30,000 indigenous people were killed during the turbulent
6 year period from 1963 to 1969. Moreover, observers believe
100,000 people have died in Papua over an extended 39 year period
of occupation and systematic intimidation. Exploitation of vast
natural resources, poor provision of medical services, famine and
an overwhelming Indonesian military presence have all contributed
to this tragedy.
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Hey, the Palestinians have suffered worse under Israeli occupation, haven't they? Haven't they?
This was done, without violence by them or support of others for them. Its fair isn't it  Lets stand up for one and ignore the other, how many Irian Jayan Terrorists do you know of? Maybe, enough is enough. Maybe violence is the only language we understand. Maybe  |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| Those on the left seem to spend an inordinate amount of time criticising Israel, while ignoring the far greater human rights abuses carried out by muslim nations. It doesn't fit into their paradigm that the West (and Israel) are always the oppressors and that muslims are always the oppressed. So, they ignore anything that would contradict this. |
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Summer Wine
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:41 am Post subject: |
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Awom's concern is justified. Rumours that the grave of Theys Eluay
(the murdered leader of the Papua Council Presidium) was
vandalised were circulated on Friday 7th June. There are also
rumours circulating that Benny Wenda, Chairperson of the "Dewan
Musyawarah Koteka" ("The Koteka Tribal Assembly") was arrested and
detained by the police on Saturday 8th June. These rumours appear
to be designed to provoke the anger of local people and cause
general panic. Many believe such rumours are being deliberately
circulated by Indonesian agents with the intention of creating
serious trouble.
One Papuan comments quite appropriately that "they killed Theys
Eluay, but there was no war. They tried to arrest Papuan leaders,
but still Papuans want non-violent movement. Then they started
spreading rumours. And these are still ineffective. We want peace,
security and stability in |
Yes, I know theres a lot of information. But maybe shoving it in your face will make educated people more aware of an issue that flies under the radar and will hopefully will be discussed at a later date. |
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Red
Joined: 05 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| bigverne wrote: |
| Those on the left seem to spend an inordinate amount of time criticising Israel, while ignoring the far greater human rights abuses carried out by muslim nations. It doesn't fit into their paradigm that the West (and Israel) are always the oppressors and that muslims are always the oppressed. So, they ignore anything that would contradict this. |
Decrying baseless assumptions with some of your own. Brilliant political insights there. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| bigverne wrote: |
| Those on the left seem to spend an inordinate amount of time criticising Israel, while ignoring the far greater human rights abuses carried out by muslim nations. It doesn't fit into their paradigm that the West (and Israel) are always the oppressors and that muslims are always the oppressed. So, they ignore anything that would contradict this. |
Don't worry- its nothing compared to trying to make people accept the truth that wild birds don't spread bird flu. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
| bigverne wrote: |
| Those on the left seem to spend an inordinate amount of time criticising Israel, while ignoring the far greater human rights abuses carried out by muslim nations. It doesn't fit into their paradigm that the West (and Israel) are always the oppressors and that muslims are always the oppressed. So, they ignore anything that would contradict this. |
Don't worry- its nothing compared to trying to make people accept the truth that wild birds don't spread bird flu. |
They can't spread bird flu. They can't fly upside down to get anywhere else when they reach the edge of the world. By then, the sun will have finished circling the Earth and will take the small demons that cause this "bird flu" back to hell from whence they came. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| Is there any oil there? That might be part of the indifference. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| Gold, Copper etc. The biggest companies are american and they have been accused of suporting the attrocities. If it wasn't for the Gold, Copper and American companies, the indonesians may never have shown much interest. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| Gold, Copper etc. The biggest companies are american and they have been accused of suporting the attrocities. If it wasn't for the Gold, Copper and American companies, the indonesians may never have shown much interest. |
Well, I guess we have our answer, then ... |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:24 am Post subject: |
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| Summer Wine wrote: |
| Gold, Copper etc. The biggest companies are american and they have been accused of suporting the attrocities. If it wasn't for the Gold, Copper and American companies, the indonesians may never have shown much interest. |
So here's the question...
Do you own anything American?
I just love the way people point the finger at American companies while they drive their American cars, eat their American food, wear their American clothes, and listen to their American music while typing on their American computer and taking their American medications...
Yup, it's all our fault. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Most of the stuff I have was probably manufactured in China, it could be American owned at its source. But that doesn't stop me having the right to criticise badly thought out american actions. Nor does the fact that the clothes I wear are Chinese made prevent me from criticising Chinese totalitarinism and the threat that it could posit to the world at a later date if it doesn't change.
The good that a nation does, does not rule out the right of others to criticise the bad that it does. The good it does, just highlights the disparity between the two actions. By closing your eyes and ears to bad things like an ostrich does not make them go away, it just makes them more prevelant. History has shown that. So should I support or allow an action to be carried out through my silence, wouldn't that make me just as guilty in the long one as the one who commits the action.
E.g. He did it and I knew. I didn't say anything and by my silence albeitly condoned it. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:03 am Post subject: |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| The UN must be to busy berating Israel to kick up a fuss over this. Meanwhile, Arab militias continue their Jihad of rape and pillage against the blacks in Darfur. What a disgraceful organisation. |
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