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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:26 pm    Post subject: Teaching K-Englishy teachers Reply with quote

For my class teaching K-English teachers I'm gonna have a fairly informal discussion about North and South Korea. I shall hopefully get through the following:

What do you think NK is like?
What are the differences between SK and NK?
What's the 'Mass Games'? Why doesn't SK have one like that?
Would you like to visit Pyeongyang? Why or why not?
Should we let NK have the Winter Olympics?
Should NK and SK be united? Why or why not?
Should NK be invaded like Iraq?

How appropriate or inappropriate is that?

My justification for this material is that they're English teachers and Koreans and really ought to be able to express themselves, even just very basically, in English about their own country. If they cannot do that, then they need the practice! (I don't mean that in a condescending way!) Plus it's interesting for me.

Comment critically on my class idea - is it any good or does it suck balls?What have you done in teaching K-English teachers classes? How did you overcome the problem of vastly differing levels of English proficiency?
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Freezer Burn



Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If SK and NK untied who would govern?
What do you think of KJI?

Im not sure this would go over too well? try talking about rainbows and lollipops and sunshine, Laughing

But if you must talk about this topic, perhaps let them lead the conversation, introduce the topic and fuel the conversation with nuetral questions.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on your students and how well you know them. Your last question is likely to garner an emotional response or 2 , so be careful not to choose sides.

Another few questions could be.......

What will happen when KJI dies? Why do you think so?

Do you think the Sunshine policy was a good idea? Why or why not?

Are North Korean women more beautiful than South Korean women?
How about the men?

What problems do NK refugees have when they come to SK?

Do you think NK language is more pure than that of SK? Why or why not?
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Hobophobic



Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might get some ideas from a documentary called "Inside North Korea"
-you can download it using a torrent program such as AZUREUS and doing a search at www.torrentscentral.com or www.digitaldistractions...good luck
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd go for something less polarized for your first class, and maybe get them to tell you about South Korea before you deal with the North.
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this your very first lesson with them? If so, I wouldn't choose this topic myself. However, for a later class why not, but maybe you could introduce the topic by talking about other countries which used to be divided first e.g East and West Germany etc.

I once taught English to Italians and I asked my Italian friend if she thought it would be a good idea to work on an article about the Mafia Laughing She said best not.
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matthews_world



Joined: 15 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For my class teaching K-English teachers I'm gonna have a fairly informal discussion about North and South Korea. I shall hopefully get through the following


Why don't you guys take a step beyond the boring conversation classes and swap teaching methods that work and don't work with your kids. Teach them new stuff that they already don't know about.

Why not have the teachers bring in their best material/lessons to share with the class for the first 20 min.

I don't know what kind of school you work at, but if this were a haggie, with some training, expertise, and a little creativity your school could be making a fortune giving workshops/courses to under-par K-English teachers.

I have tons of ideas/background on how to provide this kind of education.
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Col.Brandon



Joined: 09 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your students are women then they probably won't be interested in politics. It'd be better to talk about movies or something equally tame.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Col.Brandon wrote:
If your students are women then they probably won't be interested in politics.

Thats correct. You'll end up doing most of the talking, which will be unsatisfying all around.

There are so many variables here that you dont mention -- how big is the class, how long is it, are they secondary teachers attending voluntarily?

If it is a first class you'd be far better off shelving heavy discussion issues till later & just setting about establishing a comfortable conversation zone. Introductions, chat about school life, inviting questions about yourself. Question the teachers about what they want from their class.

Keep it light. Hint: provide coffee mix, green tea, & cookies.

Matthews_world's suggestion is also right on. They will value usable lesson materials & teaching tips.

But to keep them coming back, you're going to need to appear prepared with a broad mix of stimulating activities. Laughter is a good thing -- something your proposed theme will undoubtedly lack.
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although I agree with the above posters, I am cutting and pasting those questions right after this post. It should make for a real good session in a month or two.
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Done. I don't think I will bring up the one about Iraq though.
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joe_doufu



Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

matthews_world wrote:
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For my class teaching K-English teachers I'm gonna have a fairly informal discussion about North and South Korea. I shall hopefully get through the following


Why don't you guys take a step beyond the boring conversation classes and swap teaching methods that work and don't work with your kids. Teach them new stuff that they already don't know about.


Why would the K-teachers give a crap about teaching methods? I think it's the last thing they'd want to discuss All they know and care about is, if they hit the kids with the stick hard enough, the wonjang sonsaengnim doesn't chew them out. And furthermore they don't think of you as a real teacher like them. I think this topic of conversation would be a total flop in my hagwon.
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teachmeenglish



Joined: 14 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have taught adults here for 6 years and love to use questions like those. But, not in the first week and when you introduce it preface it as "too many English classes talk about dating, food and movies which gets quite boring after 9 years, so today lets talk about something different". I have had class discussions about everything from abortion to war to defending the US millitary after the school girls to japan (devils advocate is fun), and have never had any troubles, BUT BUT know your class first!!!
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the imput, everyone.

I'm slightly bemused by some of it, mind. Particularly baffling is the notion that I should avoid "boring conversation classes". Boring is a relative term and I'm an English conversation teacher. That's my job. I turn up, I speak to the kids in English, they reply in (very bad) English and I make some attempt to improve their capacity to spontaneously produce half-decent English. With K-Eng teachers, they all know the difference between the past simple and present perfect and can do grammar all day, but ask them "Hi, how was your weekend?" and they haven't a flying clue. My job ought to be to try and improve their English speaking ability. 90% of K-English teachers don't feel comfortable speaking English - something's not right there. I've even heard of someone with an MA in English who can't speak it! I also concur with Joe that discussing materials or teaching methods would be about as interesting as watching a slug move very, very slowly across a large rock. What we need is: new and useful vocabulary for them, creating an environment where they can randomly express themselves about a range of issues in English, (yes) some materials perhaps for them to improve their classes (that was requested). But what's gonna happen if we go through the motions for an hour about materials?

"Mr Kim, what do think of this activity?"

"I think it's very good"

"Me too"

They need stimulating and, even though I'm biased, my class was reasonably successful - I made an effort to introduce them to new words, did a pronunciation drill involving 'r' and 'th' (as in 'health') and they chatted away.
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