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Should we be 'ambassadors' for our countries?
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should we be 'ambassadors'?
yes
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 54%  [ 25 ]
No
15%
 15%  [ 7 ]
Doesn't matter
30%
 30%  [ 14 ]
Total Votes : 46

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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:24 pm    Post subject: Should we be 'ambassadors' for our countries? Reply with quote

What do you think? By acting positively and professionally do you think that would make a difference in how Koreans perceive us? At least in the area which we live in? Myself I've noticed a big difference in how most Koreans treat me when I am wearing a tie and suit as opposed to regular clothes. Plus the fact that I don't drink (much) or smoke seems to impress them positively (weirdly enough).
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PolyChronic Time Girl



Joined: 15 Dec 2004
Location: Korea Exited

PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've pretty shy and reserved, so many Koreans(and other foreigners) tell me that they are shocked that I'm American. Kind of annoying about the stereoptypes...not all us Americans are "loud." Also, quite a few Koreans think I'm middle eastern for some reason, so they expect that I can speak perfect Korean (because many of them can), so I feel bad in that respect.

But I go by pretty unnoticed in this country. I don't drink too much and I mostly stayed at home with hubby. I dress up I guess...just kind of boring and shy, I guess Wink
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sheba



Joined: 16 May 2005
Location: Here there and everywhere!

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it were a multicultural country then it wouldnt be such a big deal, but because we are like endagered species here I think we become ambassadors automatically.
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, and we all should get diplomatic immunity.
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimchieluver wrote:
Yes, and we all should get diplomatic immunity.



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joe_doufu



Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The question doesn't matter because we don't get to choose. To some Koreans we represent our home countries, to others we don't.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimchieluver wrote:
Yes, and we all should get diplomatic immunity.


Most foreign teachers seem to act like they have it anyways Very Happy
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For most of our students we are the first foreigner they have ever met. They can't help but form opinions about our home countries based on that. Like it or not, we are ambassadors of a sort. The people who object to that most strongly are generally the ones who are an embarrassment to the human race, not just their home country, and they know it.
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally don't care enough about Canada's international reputation to govern my behaviour according to that standard. Any admirable behaviour on my part is intended to relflect good on me, not anyone else.

Now, if someone judges your homeland by the actions of a few people, it seems to me that the thing to do is to get him to have a more nuanced view of your homeland. But that cuts both ways. Recently a Korean told me that he thought Canada had very little poverty, because when he lived in Edmonton(my hometown) he didn't see much evidence of any. I asked him if he had ever visited a certain neighborhood, and when he said he hadn't, I told him that had he gone there, he would have seen a lot of poverty. This might not give him a better view of Canada, but it will give him a more accurate one.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now, if someone judges your homeland by the actions of a few people


This reminds me of my very first boss here, a hakwon owner. He hired a couple from Pennsylvania, a guy from Oregon and me. Why all Americans? Because his previous set of teachers were all Canadians and he 'hated' them. Why were all of the previous set of teachers Canadians? Because the group before them were all Americans.
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This reminds me of my very first boss here, a hakwon owner. He hired a couple from Pennsylvania, a guy from Oregon and me. Why all Americans? Because his previous set of teachers were all Canadians and he 'hated' them. Why were all of the previous set of teachers Canadians? Because the group before them were all Americans.


Guess he's never heard of Australia!
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manlyboy



Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We Westerners do like to think of ourselves as rugged individuals, don't we? As if we choose every behavioural trait and personality characteristic we possess, and that we are completely untouched by any social conditioning common to the majority of our compatriots.

Like it or not, none of us are special little snowflakes shaped in a vacuum beyond the unique social forces of our respective nation states. Sure, there's a large variety of sub-cultures, and even a vast array of different types in some countries, but all of those are shaped in some way by an over-arching national culture. They all share the same institutions, resources, laws etc, and consequently a common identity.

We are all to some degree social products of our countries, and as such we are representatives of them by default.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah, people either assume I'm Russian or American, even after I tell them I'm not. I won't go out of my way to create a bad impression, but I don't feel the need to consciously create a good one either.
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Zenpickle



Joined: 06 Jan 2004
Location: Anyang -- Bisan

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joe_doufu wrote:
The question doesn't matter because we don't get to choose. To some Koreans we represent our home countries, to others we don't.


That's just it. We don't have a choice. Our actions reflect people's impressions of our countries. Even moreso, they have consequences on how other foreigners here are perceived.
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ChimpumCallao



Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: your mom

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:
Nah, people either assume I'm Russian or American, even after I tell them I'm not. I won't go out of my way to create a bad impression, but I don't feel the need to consciously create a good one either.


that's exactly how I feel. but i feel if one acts like we do in our home countries, for the most part we will make reasonable impressions even if it is not in our minds to do so. for example, i've never been pushed or butted into without an excuse me in the USA, and it seems to me that Westeners are pretty polite to stragers (when not overly hormonal or drunk).

anywyay, i feel ya for the Ruskie comment. At least you don't get 'Pakistan, boom boom!'.
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