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Is being clean-shaven necessary?
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AbbeFaria



Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:08 am    Post subject: Is being clean-shaven necessary? Reply with quote

One of the recruiters I'm using sent me an email yesterday asking that I send him a picture of me in a suit (not the issue) and with my goatee shaven off. He said he wants his applicants to have a better reputation. Also the email is worded so this might not be a request to improve my chances, but would be a requirement for him to continue shopping around for me. I've had my goatee for nearly 4 years and am rather fond of it.

Here, I'll let you read it:
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Could you send me a picture whch is taken by yourself with a formal suit?

If it is taken without mustache, it will be better.

Please understand this matter.

I want my applicants have better reputation.

If you feel bad with this, I am really sorry about that.

I think you can meet my requirement.

Thank you and have a great day


So does this mean I really need to in order to get a job, or just that it might make his job a little easier? I'm working with another recruiter and he hasn't mentioned it once.

Also, I suppose this is a good a time as any to ask about dress code. Is business casual acceptable, slacks, button-down shirt and tie, or am I going to need to have actual suits for work? If I've got to buy 3 or 4 suits for this, that's going to hit my budget hard.

Thoughts?

-S-
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susy



Joined: 08 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really dont see why you should....OK the look smart thing, but why not keep your goatie ( granted its rare to see korean men with goaties although some of the young pop stars have started wearing them)

If you are not happy about it, I would say try another school, if he is already picking at your goatie- what will he pick at next?.

theres loads of schools recruiting out there.....It sounds like he is very picky and maybe a little difficult - Rolling Eyes
you may be better off with a female director who appreciates you goatie


good luck anyway
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andrew



Joined: 30 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Last edited by andrew on Fri May 01, 2009 7:24 pm; edited 1 time in total
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susy



Joined: 08 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the suits:

depends on who you are going to teach
for adults you need to look smart - that really depends on the director as well. for buisness classes i suggest you wear a shirt and tie at least, maybe the suit now and again. but i would check out exactly the directors requirments first about that. ( suits will be cheaper to buy over in Seoul anyway).

If its adults (non buisness) smart- casual is usually ok
if its kids just casual usually.[/quote]
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manlyboy



Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not necessary, but could possibly land a few more offers. However, schools that reject applicants based solely on facial hair are likely to be at the very low end of the job market.
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dogbert



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Korean men on money all have goatees.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It all depends on where you're working.

Kiddie hogwan - shave for a photo (or just find an old photo) and grow your hair however you want when you're in Korea.

Adult academy / business classes - might have to fit their image of professional (clean shaven and well dressed) both in the interview process and at work. Fair and understandable.

Public school - keeping up with local expectations of professionalism will help at all stages. A trimmed goatee should be all right on the job, but clean shaven might help for the interview process.

University - about the same as public school, from what I can gather.
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've found that being clean-shaven can help you keep your students' respect. A well-maintained beard/goatee is one thing but just having stubble is not as cool here as in the West.
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magicwolfman



Joined: 01 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shave it, it will be the best thing you ever do. Dont be a hippie all your life, at a certain age you really need to grow up and set your priorities straight.
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Freezer Burn



Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't shave! send in an old photo, once you're on the plane and they paid the ticket it doesn't matter....
As long as you don't look like Chong from Cheech and Chong Laughing

You have to see the look of MOST of the ESL'ers here with some exceptions most of them are scruffy and untidy, so if you send in a clean photo for the recruitment and they offer you the job, they won't send you packing if you come over with a goatee.
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as you don't look like you have just returned from living in the jungle for a fortnight, I don't see any problem in having a goatee, full beard or moustache.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think Koreans particularly care about facial hair if you are well-groomed. They do expect people to be well-groomed and 'professional'. Trim the goatee and comb your hair. Put on the suit. Get a photo taken.

You don't need to wear a suit at work. Clean, neatly ironed shirts are fine. A tie is a plus.

Koreans do think teachers are of higher status, but expect them to live up to the role.
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Freezer Burn



Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
I don't think Koreans particularly care about facial hair if you are well-groomed. They do expect people to be well-groomed and 'professional'. Trim the goatee and comb your hair. Put on the suit. Get a photo taken.

You don't need to wear a suit at work. Clean, neatly ironed shirts are fine. A tie is a plus.

Koreans do think teachers are of higher status, but expect them to live up to the role.


Im sorry, are you kidding maybe Korean teachers have respect, western teachers are just above cleaning ajumma's in most peoples eyes.
Countless times has credit gone to the Korean teacher for teaching their demons Englishee when the native speaker is right there in front of them while the K-Teachers recieve there fruit baskets or home made cakes.
Is that respect? Cool
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a beard, but I keep it neatly trimmed. To compensate, I try to dress better at work. At first you might get some comments, but after a while they will get used to seeing you with facial hair. I wear a shirt and tie so I don't look like a bum anyway.
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recruiters are not to be taken seriously.
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