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How important is learning Korean?
Very
58%
 58%  [ 38 ]
Not
41%
 41%  [ 27 ]
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n3ptne



Joined: 14 Sep 2005
Location: Poh*A*ng City

PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:31 pm    Post subject: How important is learning Korean? Reply with quote

Yeh so... the visa process sucks and I started getting paid as of Tuesday the 4th. Oh well, more time for friends to take me out for one last drink, can't complain too much.

Anyway the person who put me in touch with doing this had done it himself for about 20 years. Met his wife there (and gives staunch advice to never marry a Korean woman, but then again he took her back here), had a son, and all that jazz. Eventually he became fluent in the language, and told me that it was easy to become conversationally fluent in about 2 years.

Now walking into this I've already decided to make a go at learning the language to the absolute best of my ability. Why not? It's there to do, but otherwise have no serious motivation for doing so. You could say that I've always liked to adhere to the "When in Rome" philosophy around foreigners, but I grew up that way and see it as more of a respect issue.

Anyway, how many of you have bothered to learn the language? How important is it, and how easy is it to learn being that you're drown in it.?
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I_Am_Wrong



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: whatever

PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

at the very least learn how to read and some survival vocab and sentences. It'll save you a world of headaches to know how to ask a bus driver where he's going or read a menu and ask for what you want.

One year is too long to not bother even learning a few basics but a lot of teachers do it and for much longer periods, they look like fools though.

My elementary school has two other foreign teachers who have both been here for two years prior to my arrival. They learned how say thank you from me.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:42 pm    Post subject: Re: How important is learning Korean? Reply with quote

n3ptne wrote:

Anyway, how many of you have bothered to learn the language? How important is it, and how easy is it to learn being that you're drown in it.?


My Korean is advanced beginner. I can formulate sentences and connect the odd sentence.

Benefits to speaking Korean:
You can ask for directions and understand them when they are returned.
You can haggle better and your 'waygook price' goes down a bit.
You are a lot more independent in your life as you don't need someone else to call to send around a repair man etc.
You are a good role model for your students.
I think it makes you a better teacher for Koreans. You find out how the languages are different and what you can do to help remedy problem areas.
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n3ptne



Joined: 14 Sep 2005
Location: Poh*A*ng City

PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I_Am_Wrong wrote:
My elementary school has two other foreign teachers who have both been here for two years prior to my arrival. They learned how say thank you from me.


Are you serious? Not to jump the gun, but if there really are white people in Korea who are that arrogant... I can really understand why some Koreans have a negative opinion
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You strike me as a person with the right attitude, N3ptne.

I'm here (assuming we're not all replaced by robots) for the long term and I intend to be conversationally fluent in 2 years.

At the mo, besides words for food, I'm not progressing much beyong 'hi', 'bye' (2 slightly different ones of course), 'thank you', 'excuse me', 'sorry', 'can I have please?', 'where is?', 'do you have?', 'be quiet', 'be quiet (polite)', one or two numbers, but my Korean acquaintances say that's a great start - better than most - and my pronunciation is very good. I've made a start on the alphabet and it's surprisingly straightforward. So I'm happy and will stop slacking soon. I may attend lessons. Other than respect, assimilation, necessity, I have my own private reasons for wanting to be very proficient in Korean which I shan't expound.

Best o' luck!
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jinks



Joined: 27 Oct 2004
Location: Formerly: Lower North Island

PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teachers in the Daegu area may like to join me and a few others in Sin-am dong [near Dongdaegu station] for FREE Korean language lessons at Sin-am Presbyterian church - a non-proselytising service to help foreign workers ie.no bible-bashing - on Saturdays and Sundays 4-6pm. There are two classes offered simultaneously [1] beginners and [2] advanced.
For the record, and to answer the OP, I think it is a no-brainer for a language teacher living in a foreign country to at least try to learn the host language. I realise this opinion is not shared by many EFL teachers in Korea, including some of my own friends and colleagues.
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cheem



Joined: 18 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

n3ptne wrote:
Are you serious? Not to jump the gun, but if there really are white people in Korea who are that arrogant...

I don't think it's arrogance so much as laziness. One can accomplish an awful lot here on English alone. To address your questions, however, if you're here for the long haul (2+ years), and if you're interested in scoring some of the local women outside of Itaewon, I'd say it's definitely worth it. Korea has to be one of the few places in the world that a white person can become a minor celebrity by virtue of speaking Korean well.

Learning Korean is easier than English imo. Don't listen to other people who tell you that Korean is super hard to learn. They're either white people who are going at it the wrong way, or Koreans trying to puff up their egos. I've been in Korea for about 18 months and have reached conversational fluency, though my writing still sucks. My suggestion would be to pick up a good Korean grammar source (I've heard that Sogang's website has good online lessons); one that teaches by common "patterns". Once you've got the basics down, get a Korean girlfriend (one who doesn't speak English) and get into a lot of arguments. If you apply yourself, you'll be fluent in less than two years.
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Upper intermediate. Not important at all, but very fun. Not easy to learn with a hagwon teacher's schedule and for a monolingual English speaker, even with time, it's one of the most difficult languages to acquire.
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout

PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

High beginner/ low intermediate. I think it is important to learn at least the basics, but after that it's up to the individual.

Me I'm looking forward to winter vacation as this will be the first time I'll be able to study Korean and not teach at the same time. woo hoo 4 hours a day 5 days a week of Korean.
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I_Am_Wrong



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: whatever

PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ya dead serious, except, now it's been three years!! Could you imagine being in a country for three years and you can't give taxi directions? Could you imagine not being able to order food in any restaurant outside of Mcdonalds and Bennigans? etc. etc.

Now they learned "�����Դϴ�" and "����" from me. I explained to them why I add yo on to "yoggi" and many other words and then they tried to tell me that the "yo" must be impolite because it's impolite in North America. "No way could yo be polite!!" They have masters in Tesol and worked at Pagoda before they came to this Elementary School. I could give about 10,000 stupid waygookin stories about them....
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I_Am_Wrong wrote:
ya dead serious, except, now it's been three years!! Could you imagine being in a country for three years and you can't give taxi directions? Could you imagine not being able to order food in any restaurant outside of Mcdonalds and Bennigans? etc. etc.

Now they learned "�����Դϴ�" and "����" from me. I explained to them why I add yo on to "yoggi" and many other words and then they tried to tell me that the "yo" must be impolite because it's impolite in North America. "No way could yo be polite!!" They have masters in Tesol and worked at Pagoda before they came to this Elementary School. I could give about 10,000 stupid waygookin stories about them....


to be accurate, �����մϴ� and ����, but let's not split hairs.

i had great ambitions to learn and study a lot of korean here too, but i've only fulfilled maybe 40% of that. i didn't realize how much of a drag it is to sit down and study after 9 hours of work.

anyways, i'll still spout off some advice on this thread:

study your ass off for the first 6 months. once you got the basics down, you'll learn new stuff just walking down the street.

get a boy/girlfriend who speaks it

once you've gotten a few months under your belt, start watching a lot of TV. and really paying attention, not just letting all the dialog wash past you.

yeah, pay attention. don't just tune out when people speak korean. god, if i would just take my own advice.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This poll is not going to be very useful to you I'm afraid because the importance put on learning Korean will vary greatly from person to person.

Then, the reasons for learning or not learning the language will also be many...so a Not vs Very poll won't do much for ya.

I have been here since 1997 and decided to learn Korean because it made sense to me. Then I met my wife and it made even more sense to learn Korean. When I added the benefits, career-wise, of learning the language it made even more sense.

Flip side is that I have friends who have been here for just as long (or more) and have only the most basic knowledge of Korean and they are happy here. It is a personal choice.

My personal opinion: learning a new language is always a good thing and living here is a golden opportunity to learn Korean because you live in the language day to day.

As for becoming fluent in 2 years while working full time, I don't see how realistic that is. Perhaps some people have achieved this and it depends what you mean by fluent.

I found that speaking and reading Korean (I put myself as an advanced speaker and I largely acheived this because I am married and interact with my wife's family on a daily basis) opens up your life here. It really improves (or can improve) your quality of life and lead you to better understand the country and the culture.

Best of luck to you.
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ladyandthetramp



Joined: 21 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:18 am    Post subject: Re: How important is learning Korean? Reply with quote

[quote="n3ptne"]Eventually he became fluent in the language, and told me that it was easy to become conversationally fluent in about 2 years.
[quote]

Maybe my definition of "conversationally fluent" is different, but becoming so in Korean in two years isn't "easy." You're going to have to study a bit.

Of course, I understand conversationally fluent to mean you can actually hold down a conversation for a few hours. A lot of people view conversationally fluent to mean you can give directions to the taxi driver and flirt with a girl a little before switching into English.

On to your first question, without knowing your plans for life it's hard to answer. If you think you want to stay here for some time or perhaps do business with Korean companies, it's very useful. If you only plan on staying one year before getting on with your life, then just learn the alphabet and a the most important phrases.
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I_Am_Wrong



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: whatever

PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
I_Am_Wrong wrote:
ya dead serious, except, now it's been three years!! Could you imagine being in a country for three years and you can't give taxi directions? Could you imagine not being able to order food in any restaurant outside of Mcdonalds and Bennigans? etc. etc.

Now they learned "�����Դϴ�" and "����" from me. I explained to them why I add yo on to "yoggi" and many other words and then they tried to tell me that the "yo" must be impolite because it's impolite in North America. "No way could yo be polite!!" They have masters in Tesol and worked at Pagoda before they came to this Elementary School. I could give about 10,000 stupid waygookin stories about them....


to be accurate, �����մϴ� and ����, but let's not split hairs.

i had great ambitions to learn and study a lot of korean here too, but i've only fulfilled maybe 40% of that. i didn't realize how much of a drag it is to sit down and study after 9 hours of work.

anyways, i'll still spout off some advice on this thread:

study your ass off for the first 6 months. once you got the basics down, you'll learn new stuff just walking down the street.

get a boy/girlfriend who speaks it

once you've gotten a few months under your belt, start watching a lot of TV. and really paying attention, not just letting all the dialog wash past you.

yeah, pay attention. don't just tune out when people speak korean. god, if i would just take my own advice.



haha...it's really hard to get the motivation to study after a full days work, you can tell by my crappy spelling.
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Privateer



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheem wrote:
Learning Korean is easier than English imo. Don't listen to other people who tell you that Korean is super hard to learn. They're either white people who are going at it the wrong way, or Koreans trying to puff up their egos. I've been in Korea for about 18 months and have reached conversational fluency, though my writing still sucks.


Care to enlighten some of us dumb white people what going at it the right way entails? I'm serious. I'd like to achieve conversational fluency.
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