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Koreans beating their muscles - does it work?
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RachaelRoo



Joined: 15 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 2:43 am    Post subject: Koreans beating their muscles - does it work? Reply with quote

So I see Koreans hitting themselves when they are hiking or at the gym. I was told that this is to loosen the muscles.....wtf? Does this work and have any real value?
Also, at my gym, they have this vibrating machine that shakes the body's midsection (no jokes please Smile ). Is this machine also supposed to 'loosen muscles'? Seems pretty stupid to me, so I'm just wondering what the logic behind this is.
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chiaa



Joined: 23 Aug 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 2:46 am    Post subject: Re: Koreans beating their muscles - does it work? Reply with quote

RachaelRoo wrote:
So I see Koreans hitting their muscles when they are hiking or at the gym. I was told that this is to loosen the muscles.....wtf? Does this work and have any real value?
Also, at my gym, they have this vibrating machine that shakes the body's midsection (no jokes please Smile ). Is this machine also supposed to 'loosen muscles'? Seems pretty stupid to me, so I'm just wondering what the logic behind this is.


Just like streching out after running. Suppose to do something to the lactic acid that builds up in the muscles which causes you to ache the next day.

Or so I was told by my high school wrestlin' coach.
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously, it's a massage. Why don't you try it?
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DirtySanchez



Joined: 26 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those mid-section gliggly thingies were all the rage in the u.s. in the 50s. They thought that you could lose weight, or at least displace some cellulite. In reality, they do nothing, and you will never see one in a reputable north-american gym.
"Stretching" your muscles after a workout will break down the lactic acid, whereas "hitting" your muscles is just nonsensicle. Korea is still about 50 years behind in several areas. This being one of them, women's rights being another, and in some cities, clothing fashions being yet another. But I digress...
Basically, hitting your muscles makes about as much sense as turning off your headlights and putting on your parking break at a red light.
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joe_doufu



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's fun to watch the young ladies on the jiggly machine, though.
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RachaelRoo



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's lactic acid and what does it do?
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joe_doufu



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RachaelRoo wrote:
What's lactic acid and what does it do?


If I remember right from 11th grade biology, it builds up in your muscles as a result of anaerobic exercise ... that is, your muscles working so hard that they're working without the oxygen they need (as opposed to aerobic exercise, with oxygen). It becomes painful if you get too much of it built up. That's why you get leg or chest cramps from spending too much time on the stairmaster or running too fast... but you can run (aerobically) on the treadmill at a reasonable pace for a much much longer time. Supposedly, stretching and massage help dissipate it.
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chiaa



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonder why Olympic sprinters always shake their muscles after a heat....

To lose weight those machines are just plain silly, but after a run I always use it and if you paid atttention to the people in your gym 90% of the time you will see someone use it after they hit the tread mill.
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sparkx



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chiaa wrote:

To lose weight those machines are just plain silly, but after a run I always use it and if you paid atttention to the people in your gym 90% of the time you will see someone use it after they hit the tread mill.


When the hell have you ever "run" you lazy chubby b@stard??
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chiaa



Joined: 23 Aug 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sparkx wrote:
chiaa wrote:

To lose weight those machines are just plain silly, but after a run I always use it and if you paid atttention to the people in your gym 90% of the time you will see someone use it after they hit the tread mill.


When the hell have you ever "run" you lazy chubby b@stard??


I said after a run, never mentioned that I run a lot. Thus, you never see me on the flubber master.

I am still sexy.
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sparkx



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chiaa wrote:
sparkx wrote:
chiaa wrote:

To lose weight those machines are just plain silly, but after a run I always use it and if you paid atttention to the people in your gym 90% of the time you will see someone use it after they hit the tread mill.


When the hell have you ever "run" you lazy chubby b@stard??


I said after a run, never mentioned that I run a lot. Thus, you never see me on the flubber master.

I am still sexy.


Trying to confuse me with your fancy-schmancy book logic again huh? Well, uh, I, it's....what was I talking about again?

My head hurts
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see Koreans hitting themselves all the time, not just after exercising. As I understand it, it is just a variant of a massage. Muscles get tense and you hit them to make them contract, then relax. It works.
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BbBbRocks



Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Location: Miryang

PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a few points...

Despite what most people will have you believe, the product of anaerobic respiration that plays havoc with muscular performance is lactate, not lactic acid, though it is acidic.

It affects the pH of the working muscle and the enzymes that regulate contraction.

Rather than dissapate it, stretching (or using the 'muscle pump') and massage move it elsewhere where it is more easily broken down.

As for beating yourself, this is a very common technique in Western (Swedish/Russian) massage. I've used it in hundreds of treatment situations. The classically stereotyped edge-of-hand chopping or 'hacking' along with 'beating' 'slapping' and 'cupping' make up the group of percussive techniques known as tapotment. Done properly it increases bloodflow in the treated area and stimulates the local peripheral nerve endings. That said, the technique has it's place in a properly administered massage. The art of whacking yourself on the the shoulders or quads in isolation, however, is questionable.
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tacon101



Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stretching (holding stretching, not bouncy stretching), gentle knocking, circular rubbing, and gentle shaking loosens muscles that have become cramped from overexertion...

this clapping and deep tissue stuff feels great, but not if your muscles are actually tight...intense beating and massaging can actually do more damage to the already torn muscle fibers...anything too intense will most likely just cause bruising and extended soreness since the fibers will take even longer to heal
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joe_doufu



Joined: 09 May 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also wonder about the "revolving disc" devices that ladies stand on and twist back and forth on. And the men who will take a sort of long wooden stick behind their shoulders (like a coolie carrying a load) and twist left and right.

I wouldn't be so quick to assume they don't do anything, though. If it makes you feel good, whatever the ritual, I'm not going to stop you. Even Western athletes have their little pre-race rituals or whatever.
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