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R. S. Refugee

Joined: 29 Sep 2004 Location: Shangra La, ROK
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:58 pm Post subject: For all the Komeinists and haters of America... |
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I couldn't resist posting this article by a good ole boy down in Texas. It made me think so much of all the deadhead worshipers of the intellectual anti-Christ who are yowling denizens of this board. (I mean that in the friendliest way, of course. )
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The Mindless American: A Tragedy In The Making
by Doug Soderstrom
As a result of nine-eleven��s jarring impact upon our nation, journalists have discovered a near paranoid rise in retaliation against individuals attempting to expose governmental malfeasance. Increasingly government officials have begun punishing individuals for nothing more than reasoned attempts to inform the American public concerning: How the military has systematically abused (tortured) foreign detainees; How the government intentionally withheld evidence suggesting that an attack upon the United States by Al Qaeda had been eminent; How the military has begun to wage war upon soldiers who, in good conscience, have come to believe that it is wrong for them to kill in a war that, according to international law, is illegal, one that, the reasons for going to war, were fabricated by the President of the United States; How the United States has a sixty-year history (1945- 2005) of assassinating foreign leaders who have chosen not to support the government��s foreign policy goals, initiating the overthrow of duly-elected foreign democracies, while simultaneously supporting brutal authoritarian dictatorships all in order to fill the coffers of America��s military-industrial complex, an egregious imperialistic force with but one goal: To take command of the world economy.
As a result, many of these individuals have been incarcerated, accused of being a traitor, of having sided with the enemy, told that their career will be destroyed, and threatened with extended imprisonment. Accordingly, on September 21, 2005, U.S. immigration officials banned Robert Fisk, an internationally renowned British journalist, on his way to deliver a speech in Santa Fe, New Mexico, from entering the United States of America due to incisive criticism of the Bush administration��s handling of the Iraq war. No doubt such a scenario has, and is, being repeated many times over in our country. A rather sad fact for a president who has chosen to make such a big deal about the oft-quoted ideals of ��freedom and democracy!��
But even more shameful is the fact that there are people who seem not to care that such things are taking place in our country; a rather ignorant crowd of jingoes more comfortable choosing to sit back pretending that everything will be just fine, a people with apparently little regard for the facts. As a behavioral scientist, I am grieved at what appears to be a near pandemic of disinterest in what is happening to our country.
Given the election of George Walker Bush as our president, our country made it quite clear that it is pleased to have as its president a scoundrel, a true terrorist, one more than willing to bully the rest of the world, as opposed to having chosen a real man, one that humanity might embrace as a man of true character (someone like Jimmy Carter), an individual committed to doing what is best for the world (rather than what is most profitable for those running the petrol, armament, pharmaceutical, and construction industries), one with a desire to do what must be done in order to create a more humane world, one of peace, justice, and love. Although we claim to be a Christian nation, having chosen George Walker Bush to be the leader of our nation is a scandal beyond belief, one that mocks the very name of one whose life embodies that which we have been said to believe.
However, now that I am well into my seventh decade of life and very near retirement, I have come to the conclusion that the world basically sucks, that there are few who seem to have the investigative courage to take a good hard look at things that, if discovered, would no doubt destroy one��s image of a land that can do no wrong, one that they believe has somehow received the eternal blessing of God. So I must ask: How is it that we have become such a mindless nation, a society populated by deadheads, folks who seem to have little desire to look beyond the thinly-veneered surface of life?
As a behavioral scientist, it appears that a vast share of folks in our nation have chosen to relinquish a quality no doubt essential to authentic human life��.. an existential responsibility to think for themselves, an ontological need to discount the petty concerns that drive the minds of those directed by triviality. It seems that such individuals have become so fantastically preoccupied with, essentially enamored by, the norm of what others think, they have effectively relinquished, through a process of cognitive foreclosure, the capacity to think for themselves. Having become so extremely alienated from the core of their own being, they have little choice but to follow the crowd��s madding need to forge a symbiotic attachment to, in essence relationship with, a society, that for all practical purposes has become the basis of their own identity, the bedrock of their very being. Having done so, the image they have forged for themselves (who they believe themselves to be) has become every bit as fabricated, every bit as disconnected from reality, as their image of society. So in wanting to have at their disposal a more a positive image of themselves, they have been left with little choice but to construct a glorified image of society; an image of what they wish society would have been rather than what it has, in fact, turned out to be. Something like having chosen to have built an ego-incased frame constructed upon the shifting sands of inane social rumor and outright public lies���� truly a flight of fancy bordering on the absurd!
Very few would disagree with the proposition that in Hitler��s Germany there was a determined effort to brainwash the people so they might support Mein Fuhrer��s efforts to conquer the world. However, what if one were to suggest that much the same is occurring in the United States of America, that there has been a determined effort through the socializing influence of our schools, the government, the mass media, the churches we attend, even that of our own parents, to pressure us into believing (just as Hitler) that our country has received the blessing of God, and because of this, we therefore have not only the right, but more importantly, through the use of military weapons, a divine responsibility to see that the world acquiesces to our needs and expectations. Just as Hitler in the 1930��s prepared his countrymen to accept the authoritarian control of the Nazi government, much the same may well be occurring in the United States. Just as Hitler indoctrinated his people to believe that Germany had the right to conquer the world, George Walker Bush ��in the name of freedom and democracy�� may well be doing the same (preparing the American people to support his administration��s imperialistic drive to dominate the world).
Behaviorally, it is clear that citizens, from cradle to grave, are primed to conform to the dictates of those in power, instructed never to question the validity of what those who would like to take control of our lives have to say. Most Americans have no idea; that what we are fed by the news media (televised and paper-print news) is nothing more than a portrayal of what powerful corporations (those who pay the salaries of those who run mass media) want us to believe, that what happens to pass as education is as often as not mere propaganda (e.g. that Americans are the good guys and their enemies are, without exception, always the bad guys), that what we learn in church may have very little or nothing to do with the truth, that what our parents teach us may be nothing more than an accumulation of their own personal biases���� no doubt a rather subtle modification of what they were taught by their parents. And through such a process, governments and nations around the world wield control as to what their citizens, believe, value, and do.
And, of course, in our own society, the primary way most of us are controlled, the way the vast majority of us are forced ��to tow the line,�� is through the ominous threat of being fired. Something like this: If you are interested in keeping your career on track, that you would like to keep your job, then you ought to consider the following in order to assure your employer that you deserve the right to keep your job; get married and have a couple of kids, become a member of a social club (such as the Lions Club, the Kiwanis Club, or the Rotarians), be a good capitalist, be a patriotic citizen who loves his country, and make sure that you attend a local church so that everybody will know that you believe in God almighty. However, if, for whatever reason, you decide that you would like to become a rebel, that you would like to begin thinking for yourself, then you��d better brace yourself for trouble, because there is a reasonable likelihood that you will be fired! You see, in America, there is a rule of thumb concerning the working world which basically says that those who do what they are told to do are likely to keep their jobs, whereas those who tend to think for themselves, tend to buck the system, (tend not to do what they have been told to do) end up jobless, powerless, and left to fend for themselves on the mean streets of society.
But why? Why does such a thing occur? Why would America the beautiful, land of the free, do such a horrible thing to its own citizens? The answer is quite simple: Knowing that knowledge is power; the secret is control, controlling the out flow of information, making sure that citizens know no more than they ��are supposed to know,�� making sure that they remain relatively uninformed, making sure that they are given ��just enough�� that they will go along with, peacefully accept, the premise that they are well informed, that they have a good idea of what is going on. It is necessary then that the government keep the people from learning the truth. Keep them from even wanting to know the truth. Put the fear of God into them to the extent that they will never question what they have been told to believe. You see, those in power may say that they want their citizens to be educated, to be well informed as to what is going on, however, such is simply not the case. Ask yourself this question: What happens to those of us (teachers, preachers, philosophers, writers, journalists) who do not ��tow the line,�� those intent upon proposing alternate ways of looking at the world? Look at what happened to Jesus Christ, Martin Luther King, Mohandas Gandhi, even Socrates. I mean, really now, who among us wants to be crucified, assassinated, forced to drink hemlock����. wants to risk the possibility of losing one��s job, the ability to put food on the table for one��s family? However, just in case you do not believe me, try this on for size���� the next time you go to work tell the boss that you are an infidel (that you have grown up and no longer believe in God), that you have decided to become a socialist (that capitalism essentially sucks), that you no longer give a shit about your country (that you have decided to become a rebel, an actively-participating antiwar protester), and then see what happens. Do you get the point?
There are many (Robert Fisk, Cindy Sheehan, Sybil Edmunds, Bunnatine Greenhouse, Coleen Rowley, Captain Ian Fishback, Col. Anthony Shaffer, Kevin Benderman, Jeremy Hinzman, Brandon Hughey, Camilo Mejia, among others) who have illustrated the courage to risk their jobs, their careers, their reputations, their marriages, their wealth, imprisonment, and, in some cases, even that of their own sanity. But the sad fact is that for every hero out there, there are literally thousands of citizens (each who no doubt consider themselves to be conscientious, hard-working individuals who have a sincere belief in God and a loyal commitment to their country) who yet, for whatever reason, detest men and woman such as these who have shown the moral gumption to put their lives on the line for no other reason than to make a stand for that which is right, a willingness to tell anyone, everyone who is willing to listen, that it is a far better thing for one to have sacrificed his own life so that others might see, than to have chosen to remain silent ensuring the blind pretense that all is well, that there is nothing to worry about, that Big Brother will no doubt take good care of us as long as we simply keep our mouths shut and do exactly as we are told.
Postscript: The most dangerous thing one can do is to tell the truth���� the sentence for which, one way or the other, is always death!
Doug Soderstrom is a psychologist in Wharton, Texas. |
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Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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For an elderly man and a professional who ought to have some gravitas by now, it seems like a pretty simplistic rant. The writer uses hifalutin' language to obscure the fact that his world only has two possibilities: either you are a conformist idiot who believes America can do no wrong, or you are a free-thinking, enlightened radical who believes America can do no right. Nowhere does he suggest that some people choose to conform out of intellectual reasons, or that some people have varying shades of knowledge and nonconformity. The argument that everyone must adhere to the party line or be ostracized is an incredible generalization. Has this man travelled at all?
Hitler didn't believe that God justified Germany's actions. He was an atheist.
Ken:> |
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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So, in other words, George Bush is an evil dictator. Everyone that follows where he is leading is a conformist idiot, and everryone that speaks out against him is a free-thinking, enlightened hero?
Not quite.
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There are many (Robert Fisk, Cindy Sheehan, Sybil Edmunds, Bunnatine Greenhouse, Coleen Rowley, Captain Ian Fishback, Col. Anthony Shaffer, Kevin Benderman, Jeremy Hinzman, Brandon Hughey, Camilo Mejia, among others) who have illustrated the courage to risk their jobs, their careers, their reputations, their marriages, their wealth, imprisonment, and, in some cases, even that of their own sanity. |
This is great. These people are heroes because they were pushed by the opposing political machine?  |
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R. S. Refugee

Joined: 29 Sep 2004 Location: Shangra La, ROK
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
Hitler didn't believe that God justified Germany's actions. He was an atheist.
Ken:> |
Got a source for that assertion?
HITLER--THE "PRAYER WARRIOR"
"Except the Lord build the house they labor in vain.... The truth of that text was proved if one looks at the house of which the foundations were laid in 1918 and which since then has been in building.... The world will not help, the people must help itself. Its own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has given us to use; that in it and through it we may wage the battle of our life.... The others in the past years have not had the blessing of the Almighty---- of Him Who in the last resort, whatever man may do, holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward, let us never forget the duty which we have taken upon us.... We are all proud that through God's powerful aid we have become once more true Germans.
--Adolf Hitler, in a speech in March 1933
HITLER: "WE REGARD CHRISTIANITY AS THE UNSHAKABLE FOUNDATION OF MORALITY!"
"The Government, being resolved to undertake the political and moral purification of our public life, are creating and securing the conditions necessary for a really profound revival of religious life . . . .
"The National Government regards the two Christian Confessions as the weightiest factors for the maintenance of our nationality. They will respect the agreements concluded between them and the federal States. Their rights are not to be infringed....
"It will be the Government's care to maintain honest co-operation between Church and State; the struggle against materialistic views and for a real national community is just as much in the interest of the German nation as in that of the welfare of our Christian faith.
"The Government of the Reich, who regard Christianity as the unshakable foundation of the morals and moral code of the nation, attach the greatest value to friendly relations with the Holy See and are endeavoring to develop them."
--Adolf Hitler, in his speech to the Reichstag on 23 March 1933
HITLER'S UNSHAKABLE FAITH IN THE ALMIGHTY
"In this hour I would ask of the Lord God only this: that, as in the past, so in the years to come He would give His blessing to our work and our action, to our judgment and our resolution, that He will safeguard us from all false pride and from all cowardly servility, that He may grant us to find the straight path which His Providence has ordained for the German people, and that He may ever give us the courage to do the right, never to falter, never to yield before any violence, before any danger.... I am convinced that men who are created by God should live in accordance with the will of the Almighty.... If Providence had not guided us I could often never have found these dizzy paths.... Thus it is that we National Socialists, too, have in the depths of our hearts our faith. We cannot do otherwise; no man can fashion world history or the history of peoples unless upon his purpose and his powers there rests the blessings of this Providence."
--Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Wurzburg on 27 June 1937
THE TESTIMONY OF HITLER – A DEDICATED CHRISTIAN
Cardinal Faulhaber of Munich who visited Hitler at his mountain retreat in Obersalzburg confessed: 'Without a doubt the chancellor lives in faith in God. He recognizes Christianity as the foundation of Western culture' [Helmreich, p.279]."
"I do not remember even a single occasion when Hitler gave any instructions that ran counter to the true Christian spirit and to humanness. [Wagener, quoted in "Turner, Jr., Henry Ashby, "Hitler-- Memoirs of a Confidant," Yale University Press, 1978, p.147]
"Catholic and Protestant leaders were convinced of Hitler's belief. As an example, the Catholic Cardinal Faulhaber of Munich visited Hitler at his mountain retreat at Obersalzburg in November 1936. Faulhaber observed: 'Without doubt the chancellor lives in faith in God. He recognizes Christianity as the foundation of Western culture.' " [quoted from "The German Churches Under Hitler", p.279]
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Now here's what a real Christian looks like. (Apologies to the pastor at my church. This satire is intended to illuminate the abuse of religion by political manipulators, but not to disparage actual Christians.)
Cheers. |
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Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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I may have to eat my hat. My only evidence is a book I read decades ago where Hitler described Christianity as "a religion for cowards and weaklings". Hitler enshrined the the fabled Aryan race, whose mythology was pre or non Christian. Christian holidays were renamed as holidays celebrating such ideology. Denominations and leaders which didn't carry the Nazi line were dealt with harshly, and those who were bullied into silence or collaboration had the appearance of official sanction, at least. Thirdly, all of your quotations are quite early ones, mostly from the early 30s and before Nazism was in full steam.
Still, these are sobering and sickening pictures, and I wasn't aware of the speeches you have listed.
Ken:> |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
For an elderly man and a professional who ought to have some gravitas by now, it seems like a pretty simplistic rant. The writer uses hifalutin' language to obscure the fact that his world only has two possibilities: either you are a conformist idiot who believes America can do no wrong, or you are a free-thinking, enlightened radical who believes America can do no right. Nowhere does he suggest that some people choose to conform out of intellectual reasons, or that some people have varying shades of knowledge and nonconformity. The argument that everyone must adhere to the party line or be ostracized is an incredible generalization. Has this man travelled at all?
Hitler didn't believe that God justified Germany's actions. He was an atheist.
Ken:> |
Or maybe he was just trying to make a point. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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may have to eat my hat. |
Don't go frying up your stetson quite yet.
You're correct. The Nazis promoted pagan mythology and imagery as an eventual substitute for Christianity. They were also pragmatists who realized that the churches as a social force weren't going to go away any time soon, so co-option was better than confrontation.
There was no single coherent relgious ideology underlying Nazism, in the way that Catholicism underlied Franco's Spain or Marxism underlied the Bolsheviks. Leading Nazis were variously occultist, atheist, Catholic, Lutheran, and so on. Their rhetoric was informed as much(if not more) by Nietzscheanism and Social Darwinism as it was by appeals to traditional Christianity. They cut deals with the churches that they quichly violated, even as they publically proclaimed their sympathies with those same churches. The speech quoted by RSR was given shortly before the signing of those Concordats, so I strongly suspect that it was intended as a political ruse, not as a sincere expression of religious belief.
My own guess is that, had they actually succeeded in making their Reich last closer to 1000 years than 13 years, the Nazis would have shipped all the Christian clergy off to the camps, and legislated their pagan state church(which did exist in embryo druing the Nazi era) into the only allowed national religion. But that is obviously a purely academic question.
None of this is meant to excuse the centuries of Christian anti-semitism, which the Nazis appropriated and harnessed to their own ends. |
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Gopher

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On the other hand
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:30 am Post subject: |
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In Seoul:
I think we're more-or-less in rough agreement here. However:
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But if your interested in the understanding of how a possible Hitlerism in the church predated Hitler, then so much more could be said of the connection. After all, it isn't without some cultural collusion that we find the image of christ so teutonic. |
Which church are you referring to here, as possibly colluding in the image of a Teutonic Christ? The Church of ROME? You know, the one usually headed by an Italian. |
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in_seoul_2003
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