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Adverb help please!!
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periwinkle



Joined: 08 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:57 pm    Post subject: Adverb help please!! Reply with quote

I can't answer my students' question. They want to know why they should use close, and not closely, in the following sentence: The thunderstorm appeared quite close to the airport. I am describing the verb appear, so why not use closely?

An example where an adverb would be used: The car was honking quite loudly. Arrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
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Pangit



Joined: 02 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, you're not describing the word "appear," you're discussing the location of the thunderstorm, and you're using the phrase "close to" to do that.
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mishlert



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pangit is right.
Break it down and you'll see:

The thunderstorm appeared close to the airport.
How close (did it appear)?
Quite close.
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Adverb help please!! Reply with quote

periwinkle wrote:
I can't answer my students' question. They want to know why they should use close, and not closely, in the following sentence: The thunderstorm appeared quite close to the airport. I am describing the verb appear, so why not use closely?

An example where an adverb would be used: The car was honking quite loudly. Arrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!


'Cos it's an adjective describing thunderstorm?

"The car appeared good to me"
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

consider these:

he looks angrily (at something).
he looks angry.
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periwinkle



Joined: 08 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah ha!!!! My students were so caught up in the adverb that I got confused. The thuderstorm was being described, and not the verb appears, hence the need for an adjective Exclamation Guro kunah!!
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Wangja



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But 'close' can be an adverb .......
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They both can be adverbs, but close can be either an adverb or an adjective. Shocked

Check this site out if you don't believe me.

http://www.grammarstation.com/servlet/KnowYourAdverbs?word=closely&submit=Click

enter "close" "adverb of place" - We drove close to the river.

then enter "closely"


Closely is an adverb of manner, therefore it is incorrect to use it for location.

Ex: He watched me type very closely. (carefully, intently)

anyway, it's sort of an answer. Confused
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Eunoia



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In this case, "appeared" is a linking verb. Think of it this way - if you can replace the main verb with "the 'be' verb" (is/am/are/was/were), then it's a linking verb and takes an adjective, not an adverb.

"The thunderstorm was quite close to the airport.

You wouldn't say, "The thunderstorm was quite closely to the airport," because there's no action verb.

Hope this helps!
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robitusson



Joined: 29 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm....personally speaking if I was an English language teacher and I didn't know the answer to that I'd be too ashamed to put it on a public website. What a refreshing lack of ego.
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Hans Blix



Joined: 31 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

robitusson wrote:
Hmmmm....personally speaking if I was an English language teacher and I didn't know the answer to that I'd be too ashamed to put it on a public website. What a refreshing lack of ego.


luckily grammar, in this case english, is so complex that even linguists cannot exhaustively categorise everything that constitutes human discourse.
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robitusson



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is very complex. Some things like the difference between an adverb and an adjective are pretty basic, or should be especially for an English teacher.
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Qinella



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

robitusson wrote:
Hmmmm....personally speaking if I was an English language teacher and I didn't know the answer to that I'd be too ashamed to put it on a public website. What a refreshing lack of ego.



You mean, "If I were an English teacher." Don't worry, we all make mistakes.
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cruisemonkey



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oooooo..... BURN! Laughing
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Sliver



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing subjunctive mood strikes again Laughing
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