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Diploma request... is it to hold you hostage?

 
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benblex



Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Seoul, South Corea

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:38 pm    Post subject: Diploma request... is it to hold you hostage? Reply with quote

i know there's already been a similar post on this from a few weeks ago: http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=44944

but i never figured out exactly why schools ask for your original diploma. it's "standard procedure" but then why is it ok that you only send a COPY of your passport and a COPY of your transcripts?

is it really because they want it as collateral to hold you hostage if you decide to ditch them?

does everyone really hand their employer's their originals? i've read you should get a copy certified and stamped, whatever that really means. you can tell your new employer that you prefer to give them this copy instead of the original and they'll be ok with it?
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YoungLi



Joined: 06 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow this question keeps coming up again and again. I still say the moderators should sticky this thread http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=45956&start=0

OP you should have copies made of your original degree certificate. Take those copies to a Notary Public and have them signed and send them to a consulate for their official stamp. Some consulates require that you send them your original and some don't. Also, one person mentioned that she was able to get this same thing done at an American Embassy.... still not sure how that works.

Yeah it's "standard" for Korean employers to ask for your original and they use all kinds of reasons ... "we need it for immigration" is one good excuse I've heard. I still say if you are stupid enough to give them your original than you might as well kiss it good bye and get ready to order a dupicate copy from your university. Take some personal responsibility if you've done this people and you know who you are. It's your fault if you don't get your original back because you should have never given it to them in the first place. When westerners consistantly REFUSE to give them their original degree certificate these Korean employers will eventually catch on that the word is out and they'll realise their tactics just don't work anymore. Now I'm done ranting. I feel better now Very Happy
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah it's "standard" for Korean employers to ask for your original and they use all kinds of reasons


No,it is not standard! It is a control method that they use to hold power over you. Just say NO!

Under no circumstances should you let your employer hang on to any of your original documents. Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation

#1 they have no right to keep your documents
#2 they have no need to keep your documents


If they are trying to force you to give them your originals for whatever reason its because they have lost teachers in the past and instead of changing their illegal/immoral/stupid business practices they just compound them!
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Noureli



Joined: 14 Oct 2005
Location: Nowhere but Here

PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:04 pm    Post subject: Original Degree Reply with quote

One recruiter told me that the laws changed with immigration and all in Korea so they to see the original one. Finally 2 weeks later I signed with another school and they only asked for the notarized degree which you need an official transcript to get it notarized in Korean Consulate of Montreal. Never Never ever give anybody any type of an original degree.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noureli...youngli means giving up your diploma after your visa run is done.

But you are right on the money about not giving anyone any of your original documents...especially to KEEP Razz Mad
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YoungLi



Joined: 06 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grotto wrote:
Noureli...youngli means giving up your diploma after your visa run is done.

But you are right on the money about not giving anyone any of your original documents...especially to KEEP Razz Mad


Oh no I don't mean that. There is never any reason you should have to give your employer or your future planned employer your original degree certificate.... consulate or immigration yes/maybe.... but anyone else... nope, notta, no way. According to immigration law you are required to have your original degree certificate in your custody at ALL times and within the country as immigration may show up at any time and ask to see it. Make this fatal mistake and you could find yourself deported, fined etc. I'm saying if you were stupid enough to give your employer (or anyone other than a consulate or immigration) your degree then you should get ready to kiss it good bye; admit your mistake and order a duplicate copy rather than getting into a stupid hissy fight with your boss.

Grotto, I was being sarcastic when I said it was "standard" for korean employers to "ask" for your original degree certificate and if it weren't so common this issue wouldn't keep coming up again and again on this forum. I've flat out turned down job offers from top potential employers who've simply asked me to send them my original degree certificate - before even being employed there! How dare they try to insult my intelligence! I've heard just about every song and dance there is from them including the "trust me, I've been doing this for years, I'll give it back, here ask this teacher, I would never keep your original, it's your property, this is required for employment" and on and on. I've got thick skin and I realize a lot of westerners can easily fall for this ploy... I'm not one of them. If certified copies aren't good enough for them.... too darn bad.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, there are two reasons for them wanting the original.

One is to make sure you actually have a real one. Note the crack down lately.

Second is to hold you hostage. (The possibility of duplicates does not always register with some people.)
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