Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Getting things straight: standard working hours.

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Tommy



Joined: 24 Aug 2005

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:25 pm    Post subject: Getting things straight: standard working hours. Reply with quote

Hi everyone,

what are the standard working hours per week or per month? Almost every job offer that I've seen is 30/week or 120/month, or higher - though I've read that it should be no more than 25/week or 100/month.
Where have I heard this? I've seen a few posts here but particularly in a contract outline that I found on this board a while back... here: http://www.geocities.com/victoryolife/contractkr.html

"The Guaranteed workload is maximum of 25 clock hours per week, or 100 clock hours, per 4 weeks"
"Your salary should not be lower than 1.9 million won for 100 guaranteed hours in 4 weeks, for an inexperienced person with a BA degree that is not related to education."

Reading through this contract outline has been extremely helpful and I feel more confident in what I should be asking for. However, it seems that every job offer is asking for at least 30/week for 1.9 mil - is this now standard? So should I be negotiating lower hours or, if keeping 30hrs/week, a higher pay?

Also, the info about overtime pay was interesting, stating that it's law for overtime wages to be 1.5 times regular hourly pay. Is this correct?
"Many crooks try to pay you an overtime rate that is less than, or about your normal hourly pay." I decided to go over previous job offers to check this out at it was true - in every case the overtime pay was below the regular pay!
I have no idea who the author is for this outline or the validity of its contents - can someone please help me out.. is it mostly correct or incorrect or dated or what?
Thanks! Very Happy
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
babtangee



Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By law the overtime rate is after 44 hours work per week - so in this instance it is probably wrong.

Working thirty clock hours per week for 1.9 would be a bit silly. Working for 1.9 in itself ain't a good idea. I would think of a class as an hour too (class hours) - those extra ten/fifteen minutes really do add up over a month.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
hari seldon



Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The author of the contract explains it's rationale here:
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?display:1082997236-47822.txt

He's advocating that it's in the teacher's interest to have the contract written as 120 classes per month instead of 120 hours per month. Obviously that would be the preference but it's not a legal requirement.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
benblex



Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Seoul, South Corea

PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:57 pm    Post subject: how about NON-TEACHING jobs?? Reply with quote

just got an editing job for english standardized tests. it's 40 hours a week (maybe more, haven't started yet, though they tell me it's pretty standard and no weekends). only pays 1.9 with 300,000 housing.

i tried to negotiate for more but got none - supervisor said it's standard for "non-teaching jobs" to start at 2 million but that after a year i might be able to negotiate for 100,000 more per month.

is this true about non-teaching jobs?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
"The Guaranteed workload is maximum of 25 clock hours per week, or 100 clock hours, per 4 weeks"
"Your salary should not be lower than 1.9 million won for 100 guaranteed hours in 4 weeks, for an inexperienced person with a BA degree that is not related to education."



In my opinion, this is only the writer's opinion.

Hakwon's typically expect a teacher to work 6 classes a day (30 a week). The question of overtime is tricky. It needs to be clear in the contract whether a 'class' is counted as one hour, or if the boss considers a 50 minute class to be 50 minutes, making calculationg overtime more difficult. Keep in mind that most places figure overtime based on a month, not on one day. For example, if you end up working 34 hours one week but only 26 another week, you still have no overtime--even if you taught 18 hours one day. (I'm exaggerating.)

Some places pay 1.8, others up to 2.2 and maybe more. The most common 'average' I've seen quoted here at Dave's is W2 million/month.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International