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Which skill do you try to teach THE MOST? |
Pronunciation |
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16% |
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Grammar |
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2% |
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Reading |
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Writing |
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Listening |
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16% |
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Speaking |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:20 am Post subject: Which basic skill do you most teach? |
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Of course, we teach many areas, but there often is one or the other that we either put more effort into or else have greater success at.
I'd have to say for me in a hagwon: pronunciation, followed by listening (the answering of questions often are really testing this) and reading,... with some speaking in terms of short answers and conversational replies.
I should do more on speaking but since my students are hagwoners in elementary school I try to focus most on basics they can bring with them to their classes in the future; they are unlikely to speak to native speakers much over the next six to ten years of their lives. Or so I've been thinking of late.
(My few adult classes tend to be more grammar and speaking focussed.) |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:24 am Post subject: |
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The main thing I focus on now is Listening. I ask a ton of questions during class, and if a smarter kid tries to play translator for the kids having difficulty, I tell them to be quiet and think of a new question.
Next most popular teaching item for me is Reading. I try to help even the higher level students (middle school) understand certain difficult spelling structures, such as the "tion" suffix or the different ways to pronoucn "ough" and the like. |
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:38 am Post subject: |
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I concentrate on speaking, but my classes usually have a little bit of everything in them. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:45 am Post subject: |
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crazylemongirl wrote: |
I concentrate on speaking, but my classes usually have a little bit of everything in them. |
I get my students to talk, but the skills they are developing are pronunciation and listening.
How do you develop their speaking skills? Do you get them to ask questions? Do you get them to say more than just answers and 3-word statements? What sort of speaking exercises do you do?
I'm very interested in how you do it (especially since you have huge clases in the public school system!). |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:46 am Post subject: Re: Which basic skill do you most teach? |
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VanIslander wrote: |
Of course, we teach many areas, but there often is one or the other that we either put more effort into or else have greater success at.
I'd have to say for me in a hagwon: pronunciation, followed by listening (the answering of questions often are really testing this) and reading,... with some speaking in terms of short answers and conversational replies.
I should do more on speaking but since my students are hagwoners in elementary school I try to focus most on basics they can bring with them to their classes in the future; they are unlikely to speak to native speakers much over the next six to ten years of their lives. Or so I've been thinking of late.
(My few adult classes tend to be more grammar and speaking focussed.) |
Despite my comments on another thread about teaching pronunciation, it is *not* the most important skill. Virtually all the others are more important to acquisition. We have all known people with heavy accents that we can understand just fine. And that is because it's not just the sounds, but the suprasegmentals, also.
There is some evidence listening is the most important of the skills in aiding acquisition, and this is supported by the anecdotal and factual evidence that comprehension precedes production.
I also can't help thinking that teaching pronunciationis the one area where you will get the least return overall. Do it, absolutely, but the promary focus? Can't think of why I would organize things that way.
Your best road to pronunciation is authentic, extensive and repeated (not necessarily the same exact input, either) input. Supplementing this with targeted lessons on pronunciation. And, many teachers seem to think teaching pronunciation is only articulation. It may be better to think in terms of phonology and include intonation, stress and rhythm as integrated (suprasegmentals) parts of your pronunciation lessons.
I know there are barriers... just my 2 cents. |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:48 am Post subject: |
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Qinella wrote: |
Next most popular teaching item for me is Reading. |
Was just reading about the very, very positive effect reading has on acquisition... I'll have to see if I saved the info or a link... |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:01 am Post subject: Re: Which basic skill do you most teach? |
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EFLtrainer wrote: |
..I also can't help thinking that teaching pronunciationis the one area where you will get the least return overall. Do it, absolutely, but the promary focus? Can't think of why I would organize things that way.. |
I can't imagine it. It certainly would be boring to do all the time, wouldn't it!
This thread is not about how to structure curriculi but about what a teacher brings to the lessons in terms of a teacher's own attentitiveness! (I should have been clearer)
Of course lesson materials focus alot on reading and listening and grammar. But when it comes to my own extra effort, I take the opportunity to ensure proninciation is improved, then listening, in terms of what I pay attention to and try to encourage, in addition to whatever skills are being developed by the curriculum. |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:17 am Post subject: Re: Which basic skill do you most teach? |
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VanIslander wrote: |
EFLtrainer wrote: |
..I also can't help thinking that teaching pronunciationis the one area where you will get the least return overall. Do it, absolutely, but the promary focus? Can't think of why I would organize things that way.. |
I can't imagine it. It certainly would be boring to do all the time, wouldn't it!
This thread is not about how to structure curriculi but about what a teacher brings to the lessons in terms of a teacher's own attentitiveness! (I should have been clearer)
Of course lesson materials focus alot on reading and listening and grammar. But when it comes to my own extra effort, I take the opportunity to ensure proninciation is improved, then listening, in terms of what I pay attention to and try to encourage, in addition to whatever skills are being developed by the curriculum. |
OK. I took the OP to mean they were making those decisions, so... But either way, listening would be one (reading *to* students is something you don't see too often!) I would hit first, but all the skills fairly equally... if the damned school actually allows you to teach, that is.
No matter what, pronunciation would be fairly low on my list. Listening and exposure will help this along quite a bit on it's own. Now, hitting those particular things Koreans have trouble with, if that's what you mean, well maybe so...
But there are no pat answers. Pinch of salt and all that.
EDIT: Pinch of salt and all that??? GRAIN... 
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:19 am Post subject: |
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BEING HAPPY!!! |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:52 am Post subject: |
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I wish i could say speaking or pronunciation, but by default it's listening. At least it is doing some good for government tests. |
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Pangit
Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Location: Puet mo.
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:05 am Post subject: |
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Listening. And by that I mean Discipline. Like, How to be a good student and human being. Character building. Now drop and give me 20, maggot! |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:46 am Post subject: |
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I forgot where I read this, but I read somewhere that, out of the four language skills--speaking, listening, reading, and writing--speaking has the greatest transfer to the other three skills.
That's why I cast my ballot for speaking. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:11 am Post subject: |
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Speaking, absolutely.
Once the kids get it that they can actually use the english they know to communicate effectively the study of english becomes meaningful to them. I gear all my lessons towards this end.
I take that as my mandate as a native speaker in the public school system. Not that anyone told me to do so -- it just seems logical as its the most glaringly absent aspect of the current system.
Korean kids know tons of vocabulary but lack confidence to speak. I endeavor to loosen their tongues with relaxed & fun activities, but its a gradual process. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:59 am Post subject: |
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Interesting. My experience is that the thing Koreans lack the most is vocabulary and expressions. The reason they are afraid to talk is that they don't know what to say, or they are attempting to translate their answer from Korean to English in their heads, instead of responding directly.
The skills: listening, speaking, reading, and writing seem to go together (in that order of importance) and we teach them all together, progressively. We focus on whatever skill seems to need work each day, student by student. Our classes and programs were designed to allow that and we track each student's progress step by step. As student levels advance, we add math, science, social studies, children's literature and creative writing to the program. We use songs, conversation, memorization, teacher reading to students, repetition, student reading, listening, video and audio - we have study, audio and video facilities and required "homework" (which the students usually do at the hogwan on "study days") in every area and subject. Mothers and students know that the required homework/study time exceeds the class time. (However, we never use audio tapes or video in class. It's always required outside listening.)
We have tiny class sizes and no Korean teachers. Pronunciation, phonics, grammar, and spelling are included in each subject. Students who don't study, or don't make an effort to improve (as in pronunciation but all areas as well) are eventually kicked out of the school. The wonjangnim is serious about discipline and study. We kick out bad students. First we warn the student, then the mother and then - OUT. On one occasion, when a student's mother told her son that studying wasn't important, the expulsion was immediate. The wonjangnim really told off that mother.
We don't allow students to speak Korean in class, nor to write Korean translations in their notes. Our wanjangnim tells the mothers to throw away any English materials they might have at home with Hangul transliterations.
Our good students and mothers love it here, and I love these kids. They're the best. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:09 am Post subject: |
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BEING HAPPY. That's a good one. The little troopers and I get lots of smiling, laughing, and good times going in class which is great. Man, kids are great. Just horsing around all the time.
Making sentences. They're getting good after two months. The leaders in ability have it, almost. Still the word arrangement is mixed up/turned around a bit. Or forget to put a subject in. Or forget this or that to make it a genuine, true, 100 percent sentence recognized worldwide as English and redeemable for candy. |
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