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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:57 pm Post subject: Adverb help please!! |
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I can't answer my students' question. They want to know why they should use close, and not closely, in the following sentence: The thunderstorm appeared quite close to the airport. I am describing the verb appear, so why not use closely?
An example where an adverb would be used: The car was honking quite loudly. Arrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! |
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Pangit
Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Location: Puet mo.
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| No, you're not describing the word "appear," you're discussing the location of the thunderstorm, and you're using the phrase "close to" to do that. |
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mishlert

Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Location: On the 3rd rock from the sun
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Pangit is right.
Break it down and you'll see:
The thunderstorm appeared close to the airport.
How close (did it appear)?
Quite close. |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: Adverb help please!! |
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| periwinkle wrote: |
I can't answer my students' question. They want to know why they should use close, and not closely, in the following sentence: The thunderstorm appeared quite close to the airport. I am describing the verb appear, so why not use closely?
An example where an adverb would be used: The car was honking quite loudly. Arrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! |
'Cos it's an adjective describing thunderstorm?
"The car appeared good to me" |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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consider these:
he looks angrily (at something).
he looks angry. |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Ah ha!!!! My students were so caught up in the adverb that I got confused. The thuderstorm was being described, and not the verb appears, hence the need for an adjective Guro kunah!! |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| But 'close' can be an adverb ....... |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:06 am Post subject: |
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They both can be adverbs, but close can be either an adverb or an adjective.
Check this site out if you don't believe me.
http://www.grammarstation.com/servlet/KnowYourAdverbs?word=closely&submit=Click
enter "close" "adverb of place" - We drove close to the river.
then enter "closely"
Closely is an adverb of manner, therefore it is incorrect to use it for location.
Ex: He watched me type very closely. (carefully, intently)
anyway, it's sort of an answer.  |
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Eunoia

Joined: 06 Jul 2003 Location: In a seedy karakoe bar by the banks of the mighty Bosphorus
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:17 am Post subject: |
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In this case, "appeared" is a linking verb. Think of it this way - if you can replace the main verb with "the 'be' verb" (is/am/are/was/were), then it's a linking verb and takes an adjective, not an adverb.
"The thunderstorm was quite close to the airport.
You wouldn't say, "The thunderstorm was quite closely to the airport," because there's no action verb.
Hope this helps! |
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robitusson
Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Location: Thailand
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| Hmmmm....personally speaking if I was an English language teacher and I didn't know the answer to that I'd be too ashamed to put it on a public website. What a refreshing lack of ego. |
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Hans Blix
Joined: 31 Mar 2005
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| robitusson wrote: |
| Hmmmm....personally speaking if I was an English language teacher and I didn't know the answer to that I'd be too ashamed to put it on a public website. What a refreshing lack of ego. |
luckily grammar, in this case english, is so complex that even linguists cannot exhaustively categorise everything that constitutes human discourse. |
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robitusson
Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Location: Thailand
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| It is very complex. Some things like the difference between an adverb and an adjective are pretty basic, or should be especially for an English teacher. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| robitusson wrote: |
| Hmmmm....personally speaking if I was an English language teacher and I didn't know the answer to that I'd be too ashamed to put it on a public website. What a refreshing lack of ego. |
You mean, "If I were an English teacher." Don't worry, we all make mistakes. |
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cruisemonkey

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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:16 am Post subject: |
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Oooooo..... BURN!  |
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Sliver

Joined: 04 May 2003 Location: The third dimension
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:32 am Post subject: |
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subjunctive mood strikes again  |
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