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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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 Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:03 pm Post subject: Backward hicks bigots rednecks don't allow gay events! |
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Zanzibar Muslim leader: Ban Freddie Mercury party
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ZANZIBAR, Tanzania (AP) -- A huge beach party to honor late Queen frontman Freddie Mercury must be stopped because the Zanzibar-born rock star was gay, a Muslim leader said Thursday.
Mercury, who died of AIDS in 1991, violated Islam with his flamboyant lifestyle, said Azan Khalid of Zanzibar's Association for Islamic Mobilization and Propagation.
"That's why he was branded a Queen," Khalid said, adding that anything linking Mercury with Zanzibar's Muslim population would be offensive.
He said that a waterfront restaurant's plans for a September 2 party honoring Mercury's birthday would be stopped.
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Ghanaian gay conference banned
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Ghana's government has banned a conference for gay men and lesbians due to take place there later this month.
Information Minister Kwamena Bartels said as homosexuality was illegal in Ghana the gathering was not permitted.
"Government does not condone any such activity which violently offends the culture, morality and heritage of the entire people of Ghana," he said.
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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OMG!! How dare you talk about Islam like that! Not all muslims hate gays (there may be one or two somewhere who pound arse and are open about it). YOU ARE A RACIST. Why don't you go back to watching NASCAR you BIGOT. Islam is a religion of peace! You want the whole world to look like America! RACIST.
...just to get the ball rolling... |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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WHO IS THE REAL TERRORIST
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One non-conspiratorial set of criticism suggest merely that government agencies, including the military and intelligence communities, dealt incompetently with the 9/11 attacks. Such criticism may go as far as suggesting that the 9/11 Commission was a "cover-up" of those alleged incompetencies. Where claims of foreknowledge are made i.e., that government agencies responded ineptly to prior warnings of the attacks, and that individuals responsible subsequently have attempted to gloss these failings over, no conspiracy to do so is necessarily implied.[5]
While 9/11 conspiracy theories do often begin with similar indications that individuals within the government knew of the attacks before they happened, such theories then go further to suggest intentional activities that either facilitated or directly caused the attacks. There are two main categories of 9/11 conspiracy theories.
1. Key individuals within the government and defense establishment "let it happen on purpose" (LIHOP). That is, they knew the attacks were coming (though there is a range of opinion about how specific their knowledge was) and undertook to weaken America's defenses sufficiently to ensure a successful major terrorist attack on home soil.
2. Key individuals within the government and defense establishment "made it happen on purpose" (MIHOP). That is, they planned the attacks (and here there is a range of opinion about what the plan was) and ultimately carried it into action.
Some theories go on to identify the people who had the power to either make it or let it happen purposefully. This list of suspects also varies considerably across theories.[6]
Jooos joos jooos jooos. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories
Joos did it for oil. Like duh
(ok, sorry for the hijack, but i had to beat igtg to his game) |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Backward hicks bigots rednecks don't allow gay events! |
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Zanzibar Muslim leader: Ban Freddie Mercury party
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ZANZIBAR, Tanzania (AP) -- A huge beach party to honor late Queen frontman Freddie Mercury must be stopped because the Zanzibar-born rock star was gay, a Muslim leader said Thursday.
Mercury, who died of AIDS in 1991, violated Islam with his flamboyant lifestyle, said Azan Khalid of Zanzibar's Association for Islamic Mobilization and Propagation.
"That's why he was branded a Queen," Khalid said, adding that anything linking Mercury with Zanzibar's Muslim population would be offensive.
He said that a waterfront restaurant's plans for a September 2 party honoring Mercury's birthday would be stopped.
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Ghanaian gay conference banned
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Ghana's government has banned a conference for gay men and lesbians due to take place there later this month.
Information Minister Kwamena Bartels said as homosexuality was illegal in Ghana the gathering was not permitted.
"Government does not condone any such activity which violently offends the culture, morality and heritage of the entire people of Ghana," he said.
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Of course they don't allow gay events. What do you think they are, tolerant?
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I wasn't picking Islam with this post, they just got in the way. I was picking on the West's acceptance of virulent African unPCness. Both of these examples would be refered to as hate and intolerance in the West but with Africa...it just accepted. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I wasn't picking Islam with this post, they just got in the way. I was picking on the West's acceptance of virulent African unPCness. Both of these examples would be refered to as hate and intolerance in the West but with Africa...it just accepted. |
Well, what exacrtly do you think westerners should do about anti-gay intolerance in Zanzibar and Ghana? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Good white people never criticize non-whites.
The first sin is racism. All other are below it.
Criticizing non-whites when you are white is considered racist.
Ergo non-whites get a 'pass' from whites (who makeup a vast majority of Western journalism/academia/talking heads etc) for their sexism, homophobia and gay-killing, wars, genocides and others.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/women/story/0,,1746156,00.html
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Western feminism's failure to confront the problems raised by Islam, Chesler believes, is a result of the creation of a hierarchy of sins, "an intellectual culture in which racism trumps gender concerns". The example she cites as the embodiment of wrongheaded priorities is "gay and lesbian movement activists rooting for the Palestinians who, meanwhile, are very busy persecuting homosexuals, who in turn are fleeing to Israel for political asylum".
The result, she argues, is that "instead of telling the truth about Islam and demanding that the Muslim world observes certain standards, you have westerners beating their breasts and saying, 'We can't judge you, we can't expose you, we can't challenge you.' And here in the west you have a dangerous misuse of western concepts such as religious tolerance and cultural sensitivity so that one kind of hate speech is seen as something that must be rigorously protected. That means, principally, lies about America and lies about Jews." |
The examples of Muslims are hers, but I belive that all non-whites get a pass for the same reason. "We" feel bad about what our great grandads PM did to 'them' and bite our lip in the name of diversity or tolerance. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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Good white people never criticize non-whites.
The first sin is racism. All other are below it.
Criticizing non-whites when you are white is considered racist.
Ergo non-whites get a 'pass' from whites (who makeup a vast majority of Western journalism/academia/talking heads etc) for their sexism, homophobia and gay-killing, wars, genocides and others.
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Who exactly are you arguing with here? The voices in your head? I mean, how many Dave's ESLers are on record as saying that white people should never criticize what goes on in a non-white country. Not too many, I'd imagine. But if you'd care to provide a list of posters who have made such an argument, I might begin to see the relevance of what you're saying here. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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Yea, troll heavy headlines would be a good start. "Africa - A Continent of Hate?" "From Rwanda to Uganda - What Can Be Done to Stop Afro Fascism?". BBC Have Your Say = "What can be done about African hate?"
Really - Africa just finished it's first world war. Can you name one bad guy? How can you have a world war with only good guys? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Really - Africa just finished it's first world war. Can you name one bad guy? How can you have a world war with only good guys? |
I dunno. I think a lot of westerners nowadays regard World War I as not having been fought for any grand moral principles on either side. And I'm sure there are a LOT of Americans who have Confederate Flag bumper stickers(or whatnot), but who also teach their children that Lincoln was a great man. So I don't know if this type of moral ambiguity is confined to judgements about non-western countries. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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I don't think that Africans get an automatic pass from whitey, because they're afraid of being racist.
I think it's because Africa is generally a blind spot in the Western world's consciousness. It's not a matter of turning a blind eye either, Africa just doesn't get a consistent mention in the press, doesn't play a part in most westerners lives, sadly, it doesn't really count to most westerners.
Quick test...
How many foreign languages can you say "Hello" in??
If you're like me, average joe westy, I'm guessing it was from 5-10, mostly European, perhaps some Asian...I'd bet most people couldn't use a single African language. I'd go as far to say that most people couldn't name 5 African capitals.
Africa only gets mentioned and associated with tragedy and disaster in the press, and that's the conception in most peoples minds. The general idea being that it's one huge mess, an ongoing travesty with no end in sight and no way to end it in sight.
Somalia's dispatching of blackhawks and the American presence there, Rawanda's genocide with most of the world turning their backs and shrugging their shoulders, Ethiopia's constant war with Eritrea and famine... Africa's percieved by the west generally, as a disaster area where atrocities are the norm.
I hate to break up the BJWD's tete a tete with himself, but I'll butt in to say that I don't believe people are biting their lips, "in the name of diversity or tolerance" when it comes to Africa... Rather people are continuing what their grandfather's PM started. BJWD's right that people should be expressing outrage with the travesties in Africa, same as they would elsewhere. I just disagree with the reasons s/he gives for people not doing so.
Proof enough of this can be seen in the villains that are lined up. If you're looking for an international bogeyman take a look at a newspaper and count how many white boys are amongst them. Take a look at the hammering Mugabe's been getting from various heads of state recently, and then there's Chavez, Kim Jong Il, Arab darkies in general....
Good thing people are holding back on the criticism. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:42 am Post subject: |
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Proof enough of this can be seen in the villains that are lined up. If you're looking for an international bogeyman take a look at a newspaper and count how many white boys are amongst them. Take a look at the hammering Mugabe's been getting from various heads of state recently, and then there's Chavez, Kim Jong Il, Arab darkies in general....
Good thing people are holding back on the criticism. |
A world where everything ultimately hinges on race would make it easy to understand who are the good and bad guys but unfortunately that's not the case:
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:55 am Post subject: |
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Proof enough of this can be seen in the villains that are lined up. If you're looking for an international bogeyman take a look at a newspaper and count how many white boys are amongst them. Take a look at the hammering Mugabe's been getting from various heads of state recently, and then there's Chavez, Kim Jong Il, Arab darkies in general....
Good thing people are holding back on the criticism. |
A world where everything ultimately hinges on race would make it easy to understand who are the good and bad guys but unfortunately that's not the case:
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True enough Mith,
I was trying to point out that people are more than capable of criticising non-whites. Didn't mean to suggest that evil is racially exclusive. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:05 am Post subject: |
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| Ah, okay. |
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:59 am Post subject: |
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Good white people never criticize non-whites.
The first sin is racism. All other are below it.
Criticizing non-whites when you are white is considered racist.
Ergo non-whites get a 'pass' from whites (who makeup a vast majority of Western journalism/academia/talking heads etc) for their sexism, homophobia and gay-killing, wars, genocides and others.
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Who exactly are you arguing with here? The voices in your head? I mean, how many Dave's ESLers are on record as saying that white people should never criticize what goes on in a non-white country. Not too many, I'd imagine. But if you'd care to provide a list of posters who have made such an argument, I might begin to see the relevance of what you're saying here. |
You are a thoughtful and adroit debunker of tomfoolery and always have been during the time I've observed you on this board, otoh (with a very apropos alias).
Of course, it isn't necessarily the "voices in his head" that this gentleman is arguing with. More likely, he fancies himself in a debate with that character who always, by definition, loses the debate.
You know,
the Straw Man.
If he only had a brain. . .
Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
Main Entry: straw man
Function: noun
1 : a weak or imaginary opposition (as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted
2 : a person set up to serve as a cover for a usually questionable transaction |
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