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Dan The Chainsawman



Joined: 05 May 2005

PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:46 am    Post subject: National Holidays Reply with quote

Can this contract clause even be legal?


3.6.1 Saturday Classes: In the event a national holiday occurs on a Tuesday or Thursday, Teacher is required to teach Saturday make up classes, as scheduled by the Director. Though Saturday make up classes are separate from overtime classes, they are paid at the overtime rate.



Glad it ain't in my contract!
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This sounds perfectly legal. You get your holiday. You get paid. But the school has students who have guaranteed class time. Therefore, the class has a makeup date and the teacher has to teach it and gets paid overtime. Much would depend on the rest of the contract.

This is no different than hospital, hotel, restaurant, public safety and other workers who can't have holidays off because the business never closes. They get paid double time or some special overtime rate instead.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL its crap
Anyone who signed that contract is an idiot...only surpassed by the moron who wrote it Laughing
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deessell



Joined: 08 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If a student pays for 50 hours of classes, then the student gets 50 hours of teaching. As long as you get paid extra for the classes what's the problem?
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babtangee



Joined: 18 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

deessell wrote:
If a student pays for 50 hours of classes, then the student gets 50 hours of teaching. As long as you get paid extra for the classes what's the problem?


Uhhh... you have no choice but to teach on Saturday. Fine if you value money over free-time; take the job. I would definitely pass though - what's the point of public holidays if they substitute it with YOUR Saturday?

Why won't these people let me rest? Ahhhhh!
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deessell



Joined: 08 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok when I posted at 8.30 am this morning I don't think I read the post properly...too quick on the trigger. I agree that the classes should be made up but not on your Saturday.
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Dan The Chainsawman



Joined: 05 May 2005

PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way I understand it was that you were given national holidays off without having to make them up.

Seems strange to me what is the point of even calling it a holiday?
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most adult hagwons are like that, to some extent. Korean law requires that students be taught 20 hours a month, and if holidays mean that there are less, they have to be made up somewhere.

On the upside, most months allow for more than 20 teaching days, and the extras are usually considered holidays.
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Dan The Chainsawman



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kind of makes sense I suppose. Learn something new everyday, thank you!
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prairieboy



Joined: 14 Sep 2003
Location: The batcave.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Korean law requires that students be taught 20 hours a month...


It does? Is this a minimum or a maximum? Where is it stated? Maybe this is for public school English programs.

I ask because where I work, the students pick a schedule of how ever many times a month they want to attend for 50 minutes of lesson time. If they choose to attend 2 times a week then they are basically getting only around 8-9 hours of lesson a month. This doesn't seem to be in conflict with the "law."

A link for this law would be helpful.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no Korean law requiring 20 hours per month for hogwan students in general. There are laws regarding the maximum price a hogwan may charge for a given number of hours. So, a hogwan might need to maintain a certain number of hours because of the price it has charged to the students. If the number of hours is reduced then the price should be lower to be legal. Of course, not everything is exactly legal in Korea.

As to the contract in the OP. It is perfectly fine and legal. The person who wrote it is being quite respectful of his students. The teacher is asked to give up some Saturday time in exchange for extra pay. Some teachers here are begging for all the OT they can get. For them this would be no problem. That's what contracts are for. You make a deal. You know what the deal is. You do it. If your Saturdays are too important to you to give up a few, you should pass on this contract.
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