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Holy Cow, did I end up in a bad place now! (Re: Dokdo)
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Kain067



Joined: 21 May 2004

PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:18 am    Post subject: Holy Cow, did I end up in a bad place now! (Re: Dokdo) Reply with quote

I have my higher level Hakwan students keep an Engrish diary which I correct and comment on twice weekly.

Recently, one of the nicest, smartest, and just generally best-behaved female 6th grade students writes this journal entry (all [sic]'s intact): "Teacher, do you know Korean? Do you know eat dogs? Eat dogs is wellbing and delicious. Teacher, do you know Japanise? All Japanise is very very very x1000000 bad and very x1000000 immoral and very x1000000 evil." Followed by a nice illustration of two Hamboked Korean women smiling downwards nicely with a giant, evil-eyed, Japanese Samurai with a bloody sword standing over them.

This made me sick. What kind of country teaches its innocent children the complete and utter hatred of an entire race? This girl is no politician - what she knows has been spewed from (in descending order of likelihood) 1. her parents and/or 2. her teachers/textbooks and/or 3. her friends and/or 4. the media.

So I showed this journal to my Korean coworkers. They all ask what's the problem. I attempt to explain. They say she is right. I say why do teachers brainwash their students to hate a race based on the actions of its grandparents? They say teachers don't brainwash their students. The students freely read their textbooks and (only by coincidence, all of them) come to the fair and balanced conclusion that every baby born to a Japanese mother is evil incarnate. Of course the content of those textbooks is never called into question.

In conversation classes with some of the older students I have brought up the topic of Japan for discussion. I have gently suggested (never preaching) that perhaps at the very least young Japanese are different from the older generations, or at the very leastest not ALL Japanese are the same. I have asked students what they would do if they saw a Japanese person walking down the street their same age (I live outside of Seoul a bit in a rather foreignerless land). 90% of students say they would automatically hate them, and at least one in every class says (admittedly, with a certain level of joking) "Kill!"

Me questioning this journal entry has now officially set me out of the "WooRi" circle and into the "WaeGookin" circle (yeah right, like I could ever have been or ever be in the former), especially in the mind of one rather unbalanced female coworker. She is now literally sending me text messages in the middle of the night saying, in all caps, "NOT DAKISIMA BUT DOK DO!!!" when I try to respond she replies with "I DO NOT WANT TALK WITH A PERSON WHO DOES NOT OUR HISTORY. DO NOT TALK ABOUT IT!" I also suspect she is trying to turn my students against me in her classes, though I am a MUCH more popular teacher than she (currently).

What's with this goddamn country? Why do they all think the SAME? I have agreed with the coworkers that it IS Dokdo, never once saying anything contrary, but look where it's gotten me! I'm feeling up a creek. Any of you currently in / have been in a similar situation? What do I do?
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you feel like arguing with them you could ask them why ����л� in Vietnam was okay, and why it doesn't appear in their textbooks. Ask them why it is they couldn't care less about what Vietnam thinks and see themselves as weak even though they are the fourth largest economy in Asia.
Show them this article:

http://emerge.joins.com/200002/200002_019.asp

Draw a similar picture with a big Korean guy with a gun and two little Vietnamese children cowering in the corner and ask her how she feels.

That is, if you feel like being confrontational.

Tell the woman that keeps talking about history that if she cares enough she should sit down with you and discuss it for 30 minutes a day until you come to an understanding. Maybe. It's hard to tell from here since I don't know them.
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turtlepi1



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:53 am    Post subject: Re: Holy Cow, did I end up in a bad place now! (Re: Dokdo) Reply with quote

Kain067 wrote:
What kind of country teaches its innocent children the complete and utter hatred of an entire race? ?


Sounds like you had a tough day and aren't in the best circumstance so I am not going to make it worse, but I think you mind want to reconsider the quote...
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What do I do?


It's more a question of what you should NOT have done. I have a personal policy of not defending the Japanese on any Japan/Korea related issue, unless I know the students well enough to know that they will take my "devils advocate" posture in a good natured spirit. Even then, I try to express my points in a non-adverserial, socratic fashion, along the lines of "well, if Korea thinks they have such a good case about Dok-do, why don't they take it to the World Court?" At no time would I ever presume to tell a Korean, inside or outside the classroom, what his attitude toward the former colonial power should be.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I learned very early on in my time in Korea to avoid in class any topic related to Japan. It is not a subject to be discussed dispassionately. Especially not at this time with emotions running so high.

You should know that Koreans feel taking the case to the International Court is a defeat for them. Dokdo is theirs and Japan must surrender its claim. Must. End of story.

You might want to suggest to the office population that Korea's history is several millennium short of five, that kimchi causes cancer, that copying western technology massively funded by other countries does not add up to much of a miracle, on the Han or anywhere else and that you hope they forget to turn off the fan at night this summer.
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Pyongshin Sangja



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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At no time would I ever presume to tell a Korean, inside or outside the classroom, what his attitude toward the former colonial power should be.


Then you may as well curl up and die right now.
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VanIslander



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Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Holy Cow, did I end up in a bad place now! (Re: Dokdo) Reply with quote

Kain067 wrote:
...a nice illustration of two Hamboked Korean women smiling downwards nicely with a giant, evil-eyed, Japanese Samurai with a bloody sword standing over them.

It'd be interesting to see it.

But don't read too much into what elementary school students say.
They are learning cultural values at an early age.

Don't resent the Japanese, you say? that's your values.

When they get older the smarter ones like her will learn to distinguish between their animosity toward the Japanese government and their experiences with Japanese people.

Adult Koreans know in a factual sense that not all Japanese are bad. Their attitude is political in the wide sense, is about the Korean identity. Koreans admit they like many things they know are Japanese (cherry blossoms, animation, u-dong, etc). It's not so black/white as the words seem to suggest. Though it is with elementary school kids of course!
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Bozo Yoroshiku



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Holy Cow, did I end up in a bad place now! (Re: Dokdo) Reply with quote

Kain067 wrote:
What do I do?

Ban any and all Japanese products from your class (phones, mp3 players, dikas, walkmans, discmans, anime, comics, CDs, Hello Kitty, etc). Japan is evil, therefore no evil items are allowed. Confiscate all items loudly, in front of the entire class, and don't give them back.

I'll buy them off you, 50 cents on the dollar.


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desultude



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a couple of different responses:

Journal writing is not supposed to be corrected- it is an exercise in free writing. As the teacher, of course, it is your choice, but correcting journals impedes the free flow of writing, much like over correcting impedes the free flow of speech- fluency.

Second, having read and corrected a journal is one thing, showing it around, especially as ridicule, is a real violation of the student's trust and privacy.

Children write and say extreme things sometimes- they pick up on the broad strokes of what adults are saying, and don't have the cognitive skills for the fine points.


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Pyongshin Sangja



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point.

Holy hell.

A professional.
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sadsac



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is becoming a common dilemma within the classroom. You must remain neutral. I had a 13 year old student tell me that he wants to nuke Japan because they are evil. The Koreans bitch about the bias of Japanese textbooks, but their biased historical text is fine. Get on a ferry to Japan on any day of the week and see how many Koreans are off to Japan to go shopping. There is no middle ground for the Korean psyche, it's either love or hate and they are so much better at hating. Smile
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

desultude wrote:
I have a couple of different responses:

Journal writing is not supposed to be corrected- it is an exercise in free writing. As the teacher, of course, it is your choice, but correcting journals impedes the free flow of writing, much like over correcting impedes the free flow of speech- fluency.

Second, having read and corrected a journal is one thing, showing it around, especially as ridicule, is a real violation of the student's trust and privacy.

Children write and say extreme things sometimes- they pick up on the broad strokes of what adults are saying, and don't have the cognitive skills for the fine points.


"When in Rome,..."

Is this the time to use a "love stick?"
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JongnoGuru



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

desultude wrote:
Children write and say extreme things sometimes- they pick up on the broad strokes of what adults are saying, and don't have the cognitive skills for the fine points.


That's exactly right! Smile I mean, sure, all that flag- & effigy-burning, the fingertip-hackings, self-immolations, blood-squirty they see on TV -- that stuff must seem all freaky-horrorshow to those tender and impressionable young minds. But I say just give them enough time to develop those cognitive skills, through social interaction and a solid moral education, maybe a few years in the work force, perhaps pop out a kid or two of their own, and I'm certain they'll begin to understand and appreciate how very reasonable, adult-like and tacitly government-supported such behaviour is. Surprised
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JongnoGuru wrote:
desultude wrote:
Children write and say extreme things sometimes- they pick up on the broad strokes of what adults are saying, and don't have the cognitive skills for the fine points.


That's exactly right! Smile I mean, sure, all that flag- & effigy-burning, the fingertip-hackings, self-immolations, blood-squirty they see on TV -- that stuff must seem all freaky-horrorshow to those tender and impressionable young minds. But I say just give them enough time to develop those cognitive skills, through social interaction and a solid moral education, maybe a few years in the work force, perhaps pop out a kid or two of their own, and I'm certain they'll begin to understand and appreciate how very reasonable, adult-like and tacitly government-supported such behaviour is. Surprised


Cool

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itaewonguy



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Holy Cow, did I end up in a bad place now! (Re: Dokdo) Reply with quote

Kain067 wrote:

What's with this goddamn country? Why do they all think the SAME? I have agreed with the coworkers that it IS Dokdo, never once saying anything contrary,


why is it dokdo? I will never bring up this debate with a korean , but
people need to remember one thing..
Korea was colonized by japan.. they owned all Korea and DOKDO!
I dont know the whole story here.. I dont know if Korea got Dokdo back after japan left or not.. IF THEY DIDNT! then its japans..
if Korea did resume control of Dokdo as they once owned. then Japan is wrong.. can someone tell me who has owned Dokdo the last 50 years..?
also they say its both 200km from the closest point to each country..
split it in half.. or even better left korea have the island.. but japan can fish around it on its border I mean its only about the fish here..

but anyway.. countries dont give back islands or countys after they took them! thats war.. thats how it goes!
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