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Rock
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:30 am Post subject: A Christian Poem |
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The cross is broken, the centrifugal force of its face forlorn hanging
on the wall.
Tansfixed, the light casts glances from its eyes.
I'm slipping down the nose and chin, nodding to sleep.
To awake, like him, with breath more breathable than
quenched questions crushed on a lifeless cross to bear
across infinities of "if's" stabbing the ruddy Rose with thorns,
thought-provoking enough to pry loose my chest
and unfold a blossom of bed-time belief.
The story belief's lulla-bye lips hush with wordlessness, I'm told
compared to blank walls of nothingness, the drapes of His hair
blowing against reality.
I set free the form of His feet entwined with nails
and wake up to a dream not true, touching the alarm clock's hands
forming another cross I bear,
with raspy reality berating me to wear a Rose with a suit.
Or tuck the covers under my chin, remembering the closed eyes
naked, the hands couldn't open nor hold nor dress in today,
lush carpets leading me to a hallowed hallway down to a kitchen table
two kids with sour-milk smiles squinting at the brightness of beliefs
Banging their heads with books.
I rollover and forget.
The cross folds itself neatly next to me now.
Beliefs transfixed are laden with a crucifix, I believe, fixed;
my back against a wall sustains the whips. |
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shortskirt_longjacket

Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Location: fitz and ernie are my raison d'etre
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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Another Christian Poem:
I want to get down on my knees
And start pleasing Jesus.
I want to feel his salvation
All over my face.
-Eric Cartman, 9, of South Park, Colorado
What the hell, man? When did Dave's ESL Cafe turn into Dave's Christian Chatroom?
And just speaking from a literary standpoint, that poem that Rock shared with us is quite possibly the worst poem ever. "The centrifugal force of its face forlorn..."? "The drapes of His hair/ blowing against reality"? "I rollover [like minutes from a great wireless plan] and forget"?
Dear God, please forgive this overly wordy mishmash of alliteration and poor metaphors; the poet knows not what he does. Please heal his disease of thinking that his poetry is an appropriate love offering to you, Lord Jesus, and help him break free from the deception that he's any good with words. Help him realize that, yes, while the Holy Spirit does give us gifts, this particular attempt at writing poetry is not one of them. Amen. |
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Rock
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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shortskirt_longjacket wrote: |
Another Christian Poem:
I want to get down on my knees
And start pleasing Jesus.
I want to feel his salvation
All over my face.
-Eric Cartman, 9, of South Park, Colorado
What the hell, man? When did Dave's ESL Cafe turn into Dave's Christian Chatroom?
And just speaking from a literary standpoint, that poem that Rock shared with us is quite possibly the worst poem ever. "The centrifugal force of its face forlorn..."? "The drapes of His hair/ blowing against reality"? "I rollover [like minutes from a great wireless plan] and forget"?
Dear God, please forgive this overly wordy mishmash of alliteration and poor metaphors; the poet knows not what he does. Please heal his disease of thinking that his poetry is an appropriate love offering to you, Lord Jesus, and help him break free from the deception that he's any good with words. Help him realize that, yes, while the Holy Spirit does give us gifts, this particular attempt at writing poetry is not one of them. Amen. |
This poem's theme is the religious vs the spiritual(in Christ.)
I actually didn't care enough about the poetry to revise it, particularly judging from the intellectual jargon and volumes of poetry here, like yours.
But I'm glad you're a strong believer, especially in regard to "Hell."
"Don't rebuke a mocker, or he will scorn you. Rebuke a mocker, or he will think he's wise in his own eyes." -Proverbs- |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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Rock wrote: |
shortskirt_longjacket wrote: |
Another Christian Poem:
I want to get down on my knees
And start pleasing Jesus.
I want to feel his salvation
All over my face.
-Eric Cartman, 9, of South Park, Colorado
What the hell, man? When did Dave's ESL Cafe turn into Dave's Christian Chatroom?
And just speaking from a literary standpoint, that poem that Rock shared with us is quite possibly the worst poem ever. "The centrifugal force of its face forlorn..."? "The drapes of His hair/ blowing against reality"? "I rollover [like minutes from a great wireless plan] and forget"?
Dear God, please forgive this overly wordy mishmash of alliteration and poor metaphors; the poet knows not what he does. Please heal his disease of thinking that his poetry is an appropriate love offering to you, Lord Jesus, and help him break free from the deception that he's any good with words. Help him realize that, yes, while the Holy Spirit does give us gifts, this particular attempt at writing poetry is not one of them. Amen. |
This poem's theme is the religious vs the spiritual(in Christ.)
I actually didn't care enough about the poetry to revise it, particularly judging from the intellectual jargon and volumes of poetry here, like yours.
But I'm glad you're a strong believer, especially in regard to "Hell."
"Don't rebuke a mocker, or he will scorn you. Rebuke a mocker, or he will think he's wise in his own eyes." -Proverbs- |
Shortskirt's right, though, that is possibly the worst poem ever. Perhaps the Church of England will put it in the next edition of the Book of Common Prayer Alternative Service Book (if it's not already there behind the Star Wars service). |
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peemil

Joined: 09 Feb 2003 Location: Koowoompa
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:40 am Post subject: |
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When I'm in the shower-
I feel the power-
Of the Lord looking at my rising tower. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:36 am Post subject: |
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It's not the worst poem ever.
But I do think in general that Christian poetry reeks. Maybe it's just because themed poetry seems too forced? Or the metaphors are basically revealed before you've even begun reading?
Perhaps if a poet wanted to make Christian poems using creative imagery rather than recycling the same trite allusions we've all heard before, it could work. As of yet, though, I remain unimpressed with 100% of what I've read.
Keep trying, though, Rock. Bad poetry is better than no poetry.
Q~ |
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flakfizer

Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Qinella wrote: |
It's not the worst poem ever.
But I do think in general that Christian poetry reeks. Maybe it's just because themed poetry seems too forced? Or the metaphors are basically revealed before you've even begun reading?
Perhaps if a poet wanted to make Christian poems using creative imagery rather than recycling the same trite allusions we've all heard before, it could work. As of yet, though, I remain unimpressed with 100% of what I've read.
Keep trying, though, Rock. Bad poetry is better than no poetry.
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Really? You're not impressed with the works of Milton or Donne?
Batter my heart, three-person'd God, for you
As yet but knock, breathe, shine, and seek to mend;
That I may rise and stand, o'erthrow me, and bend
Your force to break, blow, burn, and make me new.
I, like an usurp'd town to'another due,
Labor to'admit you, but oh, to no end;
Reason, your viceroy in me, me should defend,
But is captiv'd, and proves weak or untrue.
Yet dearly'I love you, and would be lov'd fain,
But am betroth'd unto your enemy;
Divorce me,'untie or break that knot again,
Take me to you, imprison me, for I,
Except you'enthrall me, never shall be free,
Nor ever chaste, except you ravish me.
John Donne |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:35 am Post subject: |
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flakfizer wrote: |
Qinella wrote: |
It's not the worst poem ever.
But I do think in general that Christian poetry reeks. Maybe it's just because themed poetry seems too forced? Or the metaphors are basically revealed before you've even begun reading?
Perhaps if a poet wanted to make Christian poems using creative imagery rather than recycling the same trite allusions we've all heard before, it could work. As of yet, though, I remain unimpressed with 100% of what I've read.
Keep trying, though, Rock. Bad poetry is better than no poetry.
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Really? You're not impressed with the works of Milton or Donne?
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Perhaps I'm biased because of bitterness, but no, not really.
Here, howabout this gem:
Smothering darkness
dragging me down
struggling, screaming
I cry for the light
Falling forever
or so it seems
frightened, forgetting
I reach for you
Holding tightly
you won't let me go
hiding, healing
In your embrace
I am saved |
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kermo

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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Qinella wrote: |
flakfizer wrote: |
Qinella wrote: |
It's not the worst poem ever.
But I do think in general that Christian poetry reeks. Maybe it's just because themed poetry seems too forced? Or the metaphors are basically revealed before you've even begun reading?
Perhaps if a poet wanted to make Christian poems using creative imagery rather than recycling the same trite allusions we've all heard before, it could work. As of yet, though, I remain unimpressed with 100% of what I've read.
Keep trying, though, Rock. Bad poetry is better than no poetry.
Q~ |
Really? You're not impressed with the works of Milton or Donne?
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Perhaps I'm biased because of bitterness, but no, not really.
Here, howabout this gem:
Smothering darkness
dragging me down
struggling, screaming
I cry for the light
Falling forever
or so it seems
frightened, forgetting
I reach for you
Holding tightly
you won't let me go
hiding, healing
In your embrace
I am saved |
Right-- was that Milton or Donne?
No, Rock, it wasn't the "worst poem ever." I hate poetry, but I found that one pretty readable. Nobody is going to take your efforts on their own merits because
a) Anything Christian on this site is guaranteed a backlash (especially given recent nitwits breathing hellfire.)
b) This isn't exactly an "Appreciate Your Fellow Expats" Board. Many of us are here because we feel terrible about our situation, and would like to hear about someone worse off than ourselves. Mockers a-plenty.
c) Poetry is an oft-attempted, seldom-mastered genre, and we all have traumatic experiences. Few of us actually enjoy it.
Also, it is a scientifically proven fact that every single contender for the "Worst Poem Ever" is also Clown-Poetry.
http://www.clownpoetry.com/
http://www.zombotheclown.com/clown_poetry.html |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Qinella wrote: |
Perhaps I'm biased because of bitterness, but no, not really.
Here, howabout this gem:
Smothering darkness
dragging me down
struggling, screaming
I cry for the light
Falling forever
or so it seems
frightened, forgetting
I reach for you
Holding tightly
you won't let me go
hiding, healing
In your embrace
I am saved |
Sounds post-Wesleyan (and thereby crappy). |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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I never used to feel much one way or the other about Christians (except for Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, and other bothersome proselytizers) but now it seems like the proselytizers are everywhere.
Yes, you may post what you like on Dave's. But it is getting a bit annoyingly American Fundy Christian around here.
And to be fair, it is not just the Christians. There is other proselytizing going on here by at least one other sect/cult.
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No, Rock, it wasn't the "worst poem ever." I hate poetry, but I found that one pretty readable. Nobody is going to take your efforts on their own merits because
a) Anything Christian on this site is guaranteed a backlash (especially given recent nitwits breathing hellfire.)
b) This isn't exactly an "Appreciate Your Fellow Expats" Board. Many of us are here because we feel terrible about our situation, and would like to hear about someone worse off than ourselves. Mockers a-plenty. |
If he wants his poetry evaluated on its merits, he shouldn't titile the thread "Christian", and just present the poem as an attempt at the art of poetry.
I actually like my situation, I don't want anyone to feel badly, and I am not mocking. Everything has its place, and a secular board for English Language teachers is not the place for pushing religion. |
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fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Why is it ok to talk about everything about religion? Sex, boozing, partying, but no religion? It's a fascinating subject. Is it because someone doesn't agree with your own views?
Anyway, here's a poem I wrote.
Destiny's grace
Countries afar,
Destiny��s grace,
One life to live,
A lover��s embrace,
Gentle desire,
Passions attire,
Greatness lures,
Love endures,
Innocence laughs,
Beauty plays,
Holiness adorns,
The light stays. |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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fiveeagles wrote: |
Why is it ok to talk about everything about religion? Sex, boozing, partying, but no religion? It's a fascinating subject. Is it because someone doesn't agree with your own views?
Anyway, here's a poem I wrote.
Destiny's grace
Countries afar,
Destiny��s grace,
One life to live,
A lover��s embrace,
Gentle desire,
Passions attire,
Greatness lures,
Love endures,
Innocence laughs,
Beauty plays,
Holiness adorns,
The light stays. |
Its fine, in my humble opinion, to talk about religion. What is happening lately is threads and posters who take it for granted that their views are universal and uncontestible. I don't see people asking intellectual questions about religion and the nature of belief so much as "I am a Christian, here is the stuff I believe, rah rah rah." What if I started posting Buddhist tracts here? How about some Judaism and Muslim stuff? Paganism and witchcraft deserve equal time. We could turn this into a religious free for all. Not, I suspect, what Dave intended.
Objective discussions are fine. I just don't see them. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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desultude wrote: |
fiveeagles wrote: |
Why is it ok to talk about everything about religion? Sex, boozing, partying, but no religion? It's a fascinating subject. Is it because someone doesn't agree with your own views?
Anyway, here's a poem I wrote.
Destiny's grace
Countries afar,
Destiny��s grace,
One life to live,
A lover��s embrace,
Gentle desire,
Passions attire,
Greatness lures,
Love endures,
Innocence laughs,
Beauty plays,
Holiness adorns,
The light stays. |
Its fine, in my humble opinion, to talk about religion. What is happening lately is threads and posters who take it for granted that their views are universal and uncontestible. I don't see people asking intellectual questions about religion and the nature of belief so much as "I am a Christian, here is the stuff I believe, rah rah rah." What if I started posting Buddhist tracts here? How about some Judaism and Muslim stuff? Paganism and witchcraft deserve equal time. We could turn this into a religious free for all. Not, I suspect, what Dave intended.
Objective discussions are fine. I just don't see them. |
I agree.
A lot of christians just enjoy publicising the fact that they are christians. Maybe because part of the myth of christianity is that believing in it makes you "a better person". As if accepting Jesus automatically elevates one to a better and more desirable level of existence. It certainly doesn't in my book.
And, as for Rock's poetry......well.....I'll do the christian thing and not comment... |
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bignate

Joined: 30 Apr 2003 Location: Hell's Ditch
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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The Garden Of Love
I laid me down upon a bank,
Where Love lay sleeping;
I heard among the rushes dank
Weeping, weeping.
Then I went to the heath and the wild,
To the thistles and thorns of the waste;
And they told me how they were beguiled,
Driven out, and compelled to the chaste.
I went to the Garden of Love,
And saw what I never had seen;
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.
And the gates of this Chapel were shut
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
So I turned to the Garden of Love
That so many sweet flowers bore.
And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tombstones where flowers should be;
And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires.
William Blake |
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