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Love-Hate or rather Hate-Hate story continues.....
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Yesterday



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:39 am    Post subject: Love-Hate or rather Hate-Hate story continues..... Reply with quote

You have been "Derrecked"

(No such article exits)..........


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Drakoi



Joined: 26 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm confused by your use of foreigner. Do you mean native speaker? Because otherwise you're just a superficial *beep* of a recruiter.
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Joined: 18 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad you started this thread. While I will go back and read all that you read as soon as I get more time, the question I've wanted to really ask for the last few days is (and I think it's somewhat in line with what you've said here), how do some of you more knowledgeable guys really see this latest Korean media and social behavior? What SPECIFICALLY do you predict will happen and by whom? In reaction to teachers dating Korean women; in reaction to any type of illegal teachers; who will actually take actions - will immigration offices actually start doing things? Can we expect to see other websites eventually targeted (no one can really know that one for sure)? I don't mean what do you all hope happens, I mean what likely can and will? I think a few users like chronicpride and the like would have a closer grasp of what can happen based on their previous dealings. I'd like to see some kind of realistic checklist of what we likely should be expecting.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Joined: 15 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But what if one of their granparents is a Jew?
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fidel



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you really give a *beep* what someone who doesn't know you exist thinks of you? If your workplace starts to have issues move on, and tell them to *beep* themselves.

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We also need to weed out the teachers whose sole purpose here in korea is simply to womanise


Who the *beep* do you think you are? You're an English teacher not a missionary, your job description is not sanctified by god nor are you required to be celibate.

Get a grip you freaks! The boogy monster isn't going to get you. My god the insanity of it all. The freaky foreigner thread obviously needs an update with the amount of paranoia, bollocks and nerdy muck that seems to be spewing forth these days. God, a lot of you people really are freaks...love love hate hate ha!
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Several things:

1. Are you saying that ethnic Koreans who grew up speaking English are somehow not native speakers? As far as I can see, the location of your grandparents' birth is not important.

2. I'm not clear how getting rid of 'illegal' teachers is going to correct the problem of incompetent teachers. A person who teaches only privates, or without an E-2 visa may well be a decent teacher. The real problem is that the majority of teachers here are untrained and inexperienced. Many of them turn out to be good teachers in spite of that, but the problem is that many don't turn out to be worth their salary.

3. I see no connection between 'illegal' teachers and the 'sexual predators' and anyone who may be offering drugs to students.

4. However, I do agree with you that this issue is now and will continue to have an affect on ESL teachers' lives. It is stereotyping, pure and simple. That kind of thinking is common everywhere, and I would venture to say it is even more common in Korea with its xenophobic tendency.

Having said that, ESLers who insist they are no one's representative are major contributors to the problem. It's been debated (endlessly) here before just what percentage of the foreigners are flat out weird. They were strange at home and they continue to be strange here. Who else would say on camera things they know would incite the locals?
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VC



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what is the best way to weed out womanizing teachers and teachers with fake degrees? I don't see how I can do much about the situation.
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Joined: 18 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fidel wrote:
Who the *beep* do you think you are? You're an English teacher not a missionary


I also have to agree with that completely and overwhelmingly, and for good reason. First of all, for the life of me I could never imagine what would possibly be inside a person who would take the side of immigration or any government branch inside this -- or really any -- country, save for terrorism.

Secondly let it be said. When you ratt on someone, try to get someone busted, for just about anything, you are playing with people's lives. You are messing with real people there. People are up to their necks in debt. Some people suffer from recurring severe depression. Alot of people have very little else to turn to in their lives. Getting kicked out of and banned from a country could be quite a shame or disruption in their life. Alot of people are just making it by in their life as it is. This is not an argument meant to take a side, it's a sad fact of life.

Even if you 'disagree' with that, let's just say that by ratting on fellow foreigners, you are playing RIGHT into the hands of those terrible newscasters that would only smile to find out about it. I personally could never imagine calling up government on another teacher, only to be serving the SBS/MBC greedy cause as well.
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Joined: 18 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VC wrote:
So what is the best way to weed out womanizing teachers and teachers with fake degrees? I don't see how I can do much about the situation.


You would even think about playing right into the sbsmbc agenda? *beep* them man. And by the way, the fact a person is starting to use a word like 'womanizing teachers' shows the propaganda is starting to work on them, no? think about it.
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Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cellphone wrote:
VC wrote:
So what is the best way to weed out womanizing teachers and teachers with fake degrees? I don't see how I can do much about the situation.


You would even think about playing right into the sbsmbc agenda? *beep* them man. And by the way, the fact a person is starting to use a word like 'womanizing teachers' shows the propaganda is starting to work on them, no? think about it.


Exactly.

Each of these hit pieces has had as background footage dimly lit scenes of non-Korean men with Korean women...holding hands, being arm in arm, kissing, whatever. (Notice however never a scene of a Korean man and his white girlfriend).

None of this is against the law.

None of this is morally repugnant.

None of this is something that Korean men and Korean women do not do.

Yet when Korean men and Korean women embrace on TV, it is accompanied by romantic music and luch backgrounds.

When we do, the background is dark and the music ominous.

I don't give a good goddamn "whose" country this is, Koreans need a reality check and soon.
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Blind Willie



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fidel wrote:
The freaky foreigner thread obviously needs an update with the amount of paranoia, bollocks and nerdy muck that seems to be spewing forth these days.

Comes with the territory
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fidel



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yesterday wrote:
Drakoi wrote:
I'm confused by your use of foreigner. Do you mean native speaker? Because otherwise you're just a superficial *beep* of a recruiter.


By use of foreigner - I mean a Genuine foreigner - someone like myself who was born in a foreign country (USA, Canada, Britain, Australia, NZ) who parents and grandparents-(one or both) etc are were also born in that country - NOT A KOREAN person who went to the foreign country at the age of 2 or 2 or 10 or 20 - gains that foregin countries citizenship and then leaves the foreign country to come back to korea and I will quote some applications "to find my Korean roots...." and then DEMANDS a foreign teachers position".... posing as both a foreigner and Korean....



Shocked Here we have it folks. A top of the range, dinky die, true blue aussie redneck.
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Drakoi



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fidel wrote:
Yesterday wrote:
Drakoi wrote:
I'm confused by your use of foreigner. Do you mean native speaker? Because otherwise you're just a superficial *beep* of a recruiter.


By use of foreigner - I mean a Genuine foreigner - someone like myself who was born in a foreign country (USA, Canada, Britain, Australia, NZ) who parents and grandparents-(one or both) etc are were also born in that country - NOT A KOREAN person who went to the foreign country at the age of 2 or 2 or 10 or 20 - gains that foregin countries citizenship and then leaves the foreign country to come back to korea and I will quote some applications "to find my Korean roots...." and then DEMANDS a foreign teachers position".... posing as both a foreigner and Korean....



Shocked Here we have it folks. A top of the range, dinky die, true blue aussie redneck.

Looks like we got a live one here Laughing

To quote shawshank, Why are you being so obtuse? Is it deliberate? This guy is obviously just playing dumb, no one could really be this stupid. You might as well ask 'why would you want a white faced drug addict/pedophile when you could hire a person of honest korean blood?' Laughing

What a loser.
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