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Mellovely516



Joined: 03 Oct 2005
Location: New York, NY

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:59 pm    Post subject: Advice Please Reply with quote

Does anyone know anything about the school Berlitz Korea? I was just sent some information about it and somethings I'm just unsure about. Like, you are paid by the 45-min units, about 11,500 per unit and depending on how many units you teach you can make as little as 1.4 mill a month or as much as 2.2 mill a month, the average is 2.0 mill they say. There is over time so that's good, I guess.
Also they provide free housing for the first three months so you can have the option to find your own place and once you do they provide a 300 thou monthly stipend. I really don't know how much that would help me in Seoul. There's more stuff but thoses are the two biggies for me. Anyways if anyone has any personal experience with the school or this kind of system please tell me about it. Thanks.
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YoungLi



Joined: 06 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh geeze that place has to be thee worst to work for of all in IMO. Check Dave's search engine on here and you'll be shocked. Do you realize they force you to travel for illegal privates at YOUR own expense? They charge the client about 100,000 won for an hour while you make a mere 11,500 won. The guarantee is only 1.4 million won per month when the norm is around 2 million for the same hours or LESS. That doesn't shock you? One teacher said the living conditions they provide "weren't fit for farm animals." That's bad. This summer, all their teachers in Japan went on strike! Berlitz doesn't have a very good reputation world-wide. Don't take my word for it... the proof is in the search engine here.
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joe_doufu



Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Berlitz is a great company to work for, but the pay sucks. I worked for them in Hong Kong and in Massachusetts. They are very professional and got some fairly high-ranking business types because of their brand name. Most of the teaching is 1-on-1 and the training is good. Looks good on your CV. Unfortunately pay is based on the hours worked, and they often want you to be "available to teach" all day long - that is, not working any other job from 7am to 9pm - but only pay you for the couple of hours you actually get to teach.
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a telephone interview with Berlitz, having successfully answered their pathetic trendy questions via an online application I think. The guy who interviewed me was a bit of a tw_t I felt. The questions were rather difficult as well. Glad I didn't get it.

Speaking of Berlitz, where are they located in Seoul? I want Korean classes, I've heard they're cheap and okay.
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dulouz



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Berlitz is well known but here its mostly thumbs down.
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YoungLi



Joined: 06 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joe_doufu wrote:
Berlitz is a great company to work for, but the pay sucks. I worked for them in Hong Kong and in Massachusetts. They are very professional and got some fairly high-ranking business types because of their brand name. Most of the teaching is 1-on-1 and the training is good. Looks good on your CV. Unfortunately pay is based on the hours worked, and they often want you to be "available to teach" all day long - that is, not working any other job from 7am to 9pm - but only pay you for the couple of hours you actually get to teach.


WTF.... "very professional." How can they be when they require their teachers to constantly break the law in South Korea? OP take this advice from a troller and you better hope and pray daily that immigration doesn't catch you because you'll be fined and most likely deported. Berlitz is long overdue for this type of immigration crackdown. No employer could ever offer me enough money to do illegal privates.... 11,500/hour omg what a joke. I talked with several directors and other teachers about this Berlitz outfit and they about came unglued with shock. They say, "if you are going to do privates illegal why work for Berlitz when you can make a whole heck of a lot more than 11,500/hour." LOL "looks good on your resume" right.... makes you look like a succa.
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Mellovely516



Joined: 03 Oct 2005
Location: New York, NY

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Umm I'm not exactly sure of the address but I believe there is a location in Ganganm-gu. I hope that helps.

And thank's for the advice guys. It makes me realize the money is important to me, I still will have loans at home to pay when I'm there so I need to make decent pay.
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poker player



Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Location: On the river

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't comment on working there because while I was offered a job, I laughed when I saw the contract. It was several pages longer than the standard 3 or 4 page hagwon contract and totally 1 sided in their favor and was accompanied by another 10 page document titled "Rules for Berlitz instructors"-unbelievable. Did they tell you if they give you key money, you pay interest on it? I too thought the guy who conducted the phone interview was not someone I wanted to work for (I recall he was a Canadian-someone said he doesn't even have a U degree but a Canadian community college diploma). He sounded very conceited, condescending and wanted to make sure you knew he was the boss.
As others have said, don't do it in Korea. Berlitz has a great rep worldwide but I really question the legality of their operation here.
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joe_doufu



Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YoungLi wrote:
OP take this advice from a troller and you better hope and pray daily that immigration doesn't catch you because you'll be fined and most likely deported.


YoungLi is the troll here.
I haven't worked for Berlitz Korea but in Hong Kong and the USA most of the teaching is 1-on-1 ON SITE, not illegal privates in the home. As I said, the pay is crap but the training is great, probably nearly as good as a TEFL or CELTA program, and the name looks good on your CV. Also it's nice to be teaching businesspeople instead of bored housewives and misfit high school students sometimes.
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YoungLi



Joined: 06 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joe_doufu wrote:
YoungLi wrote:
OP take this advice from a troller and you better hope and pray daily that immigration doesn't catch you because you'll be fined and most likely deported.


YoungLi is the troll here.
I haven't worked for Berlitz Korea but in Hong Kong and the USA most of the teaching is 1-on-1 ON SITE, not illegal privates in the home. As I said, the pay is crap but the training is great, probably nearly as good as a TEFL or CELTA program, and the name looks good on your CV. Also it's nice to be teaching businesspeople instead of bored housewives and misfit high school students sometimes.


Well, I can tell you for a FACT that Berlitz South Korea uses their teachers for privates and semi privates all over Seoul at countless businesses and wherever else they tell you to go and that's illegal. If anyone here cares to know HOW I know this feel free to email me. If Berlitz was so great hot shot why didn't you go back to them?! Not so great are they Rolling Eyes "Probably nearly as good as a TEFL or CELTA..." no no no not even a close comparison here or we would see plenty of international ESL organizations requiring a Cambridge CELTA, Trinity TESOL or "Berlitz experience." Berlitz training... hmmm, never saw that in ANY job posting requirement or preference anywhere and probably never will.
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joe_doufu



Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere

PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YoungLi wrote:
If Berlitz was so great hot shot why didn't you go back to them?


I think I said that the pay and hours weren't great. Sock.

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Berlitz training... hmmm, never saw that in ANY job posting requirement or preference anywhere.


Well you never saw "Harvard University experience" in a job posting either, but if you have EFL teaching experience at Harvard on your CV you can bet it's going to have an impact on your application. (That is assuming the employer even looks beyond the JPEG attachment before making the hiring decision LOL!) Berlitz had a better training program than the average hagwon and its helped my subsequent teaching. (My Korean hagwon's training course: "Here's the A/C control. The bathroom is over there. These are your students. Go to it.")
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Hanson



Joined: 20 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm calling sock too, but who? spidey? Is that you?
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joe_doufu



Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere

PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hanson wrote:
I'm calling sock too, but who? spidey? Is that you?


Definitely somebody misogynistic. "YoungLi" is just the most pessimistic possible charicature of "stereotypical irrational female".
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YoungLi



Joined: 06 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joe_doufu wrote:
Hanson wrote:
I'm calling sock too, but who? spidey? Is that you?


Definitely somebody misogynistic. "YoungLi" is just the most pessimistic possible charicature of "stereotypical irrational female".


"Misogynistic?" Now that explains you and your constant harassment of me here on these forums. When does it ever end Rolling Eyes I think you need a girl friend... you seem frustrated to me.

I guess I'm "irrational" and "pessimistic" because i don't agree with him about Berlitz South Korea. Rolling Eyes
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