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Tiny_Tibbo
Joined: 21 Apr 2005
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 Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:08 am Post subject: Not paying for flights for new teachers in 2006?? |
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ok...this is the only time I have heard this but my director said today that Korean employers are no longer going to pay the air plane tickets for new teachers to come over. I was surprised because I figured I would have read it on here first.....
What does everyone think about that statement??
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:10 am Post subject: Re: Not for flights for new teachers in 2006?? |
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| Tiny_Tibbo wrote: |
ok...this is the only time I have heard this but my director said today that Korean employers are no longer going to pay the air plane tickets for new teachers to come over. I was surprised because I figured I would have read it on here first.....
What does everyone think about that statement?? |
It's not a law to pay for a ticket so an employer can do whatever. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| How do Korean employers all get together and decide these things? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:54 am Post subject: |
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| It may be true. Taiwan doesn't pay. I don't think Japan does and Thailand can't afford to pay. It's an unusual situation. Maybe it will end. On the other hand, there is such a demand here, that I wouldn't count on the hakwon down the street refusing to pay for a flight if they think that will get them an employee. |
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sheba
Joined: 16 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| If they try it then I dont think it wont last long..... the demand is way to high! |
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Tiny_Tibbo
Joined: 21 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| It may be true. Taiwan doesn't pay. I don't think Japan does and Thailand can't afford to pay. It's an unusual situation. Maybe it will end. On the other hand, there is such a demand here, that I wouldn't count on the hakwon down the street refusing to pay for a flight if they think that will get them an employee. |
Thats what I was thinking. Even if "Korea" decided not to pay anymore...doesn't mean you can't if you want a teacher bad enough..... |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:45 am Post subject: |
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Interesting. It wouldnt strike me as a shocking policy shift. Market rationalization. There seem to be sufficient candidates for easy work with savings potential.
Saddens me a bit though. Not sure I could have or would have made the leap myself, back when, without that incentive. |
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Confused Canadian
Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:25 am Post subject: |
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When I came to Korea in December of '95, my director paid for my ticket, but I had to pay him back from my first three paychecks (the exact amount / percentage/month was all spelled out in the contract). At the time, I don't think it was commonplace for school's to puchase your ticket outright. Not sure if that started with the "IMF Crisis" or not...
But yeah, I wouldn't have made it over here if my director hadn't bought my ticket originally...
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:08 am Post subject: |
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The Koreans have Hogwan Associations. The wonjangnims can meet and talk. They share Korean/English contracts to use with foreign teachers. They probably discuss Korean teacher issues as well. They decide on political issues to take on. So, this ticket change is possible.
If tickets are no longer paid, teachers from different places and with different priced tickets will be on a more level playing field in negotiations. And the cash salaries, which are determined by market forces, will be higher on the average. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:35 am Post subject: |
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I've had 4 jobs here.
I've had 1 plane ticket paid for.
Yup. *belch* |
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Red
Joined: 05 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| The Koreans have Hogwan Associations. The wonjangnims can meet and talk. They share Korean/English contracts to use with foreign teachers. They probably discuss Korean teacher issues as well. They decide on political issues to take on. So, this ticket change is possible. |
Yes, they do.
They also tell other wonjangnims about employees they feel are bad for whatever reason. If a wonjangnim has enough connections, he can effectively blackball someone he doesn't like. Given the parade of psychotics that have marched through my hagwon's doors over the last six months, I no longer think this is a bad thing.
On the other hand, a wonjangnim who likes you will be more than willing to tell the others you're a good catch, so to speak. It's all office politics here. Sad, but true.
Anyway, too bad about the loss of the free ride if it's true. I also would never have come here without it. I just hope they don't eventually axe the free accomidation as well. Depending upon the location, it's a sizeable chunk of change out of their pocket, and I can see it as being an expense they'd want to get rid of.
I think the English hagwon market has slowed way down in the four years I've been here. I see more and more students going to multiple subject hagwons because their parents can get more bang for their buck. It's actually something my boss seems interested in opening. You know how it is in Korea: "I saw a saturated marketplace and I said, 'me too!'"
Will the English only hagwon be a thing of the past? I'm gonna climb out on a limb and say "yes" |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| There is only one reason I came to Korean and not Japan or Taiwan. That was a near-immediate start date, and free airfare. Gee, that's two reasons. Well, nevertheless. Who would come to Korea if they didn't offer free airfare. I mean some people who came to teach or as soldiers might stay, but that's just inertia. |
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Red
Joined: 05 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
| I mean some people who came to teach or as soldiers might stay, but that's just inertia. |
Hey buddy, it took me a few years to dig out this rut I'm in, and I aint leaving it fer no'un |
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fancypants
Joined: 22 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| Zyzyfer wrote: |
I've had 4 jobs here.
I've had 1 plane ticket paid for.
Yup. *belch* |
I was in Korea for more than 5 years...
5 jobs but only the first one paid my airfare to Korea - the first one. I mean, I was ALREADY IN Korea and I figured it was petty to demand money from my new boss for it. (Although I have heard of some teachers who negotiate for it and get it.)
But I always negotiated the monetary equivalent of airfare home at the end of my agreed upon term. |
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antoniothegreat
Joined: 28 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| well, i really believe teachers here are more organized than hogwan owners, i think it would be much easier for us to refuse any contract that denies a plane ticket than them to get someone over here without it. they need us more than we need them. and they are like OPEC, agree to not offer tickets, but someone will start the process of stabbing them all in the back... |
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