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Wangja
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Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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 Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:11 pm Post subject: Bush's troubles mount as Republican defections increase |
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http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7666.shtml
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| ��We��re in trouble. There��s no doubt about that,�� says on GOP pollster. ��Based on what I��m seeing in the national mood the only way out of that trouble is to get as far away as possible from President Bush and his policies.�� |
Here is a strange thing. I am not anti-American. I find myself not even anti-Republican. But anti-Bush ..... at least there I have something in common with most Americans.
Remember, most Americans voters did NOT vote for Bush. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I must say it's nice to see him reeping what he has sown. |
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JongnoGuru
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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But who is loathed more, Bush or people like Cheney and Rove?
clownish bad or evil bad? |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Hating Bush is like hating the retarded kid that the other boys tell to bad things. He really doesn't know what he's doing. He's just doing what the smart people tell him to do. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Wangja wrote: |
| Here is a strange thing. I am not anti-American. |
That's good, but are you pro-American? See, the thing about Bush that gets me is not that he makes people hate Americans, but that he saps the enthusiasm of others for America. Not just his policies, but especially his rhetoric. Okay, so there are anti-Americans out there, and there was before and will always be, and it's not necessarily Bush's fault. But I think Bush undermines the respect for America, and if someone were to come up and say to me, "Being anti-American is ignorant, I can't be against 290 million free people, but I can't be pro-American either under the circumstances." I'd have to shrug and say, "I understand."
The good thing is that America can win their respect back among these reasonable people by simply shedding Bush and the kind of always-right rhetoric (in both senses of the word right) that he has been pushing. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Wangja wrote: |
| Here is a strange thing. I am not anti-American. |
That's good, but are you pro-American? See, the thing about Bush that gets me is not that he makes people hate Americans, but that he saps the enthusiasm of others for America. Not just his policies, but especially his rhetoric. Okay, so there are anti-Americans out there, and there was before and will always be, and it's not necessarily Bush's fault. But I think Bush undermines the respect for America, and if someone were to come up and say to me, "Being anti-American is ignorant, I can't be against 290 million free people, but I can't be pro-American either under the circumstances." I'd have to shrug and say, "I understand."
The good thing is that America can win their respect back among these reasonable people by simply shedding Bush and the kind of always-right rhetoric (in both senses of the word right) that he has been pushing. |
Excellent post. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| The good thing is that America can win their respect back among these reasonable people |
I'm really hoping this is true and that the last 5 years hasn't made them permanently anti-American. |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| Hating Bush is like hating the retarded kid that the other boys tell to bad things. He really doesn't know what he's doing. He's just doing what the smart people tell him to do. |
But - to use the rhetoric of a Texan Death Row Prosecutor - he's still smart enough to know the difference between right and wrong.
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Wangja wrote: |
| Here is a strange thing. I am not anti-American. |
That's good, but are you pro-American? See, the thing about Bush that gets me is not that he makes people hate Americans, but that he saps the enthusiasm of others for America. Not just his policies, but especially his rhetoric. Okay, so there are anti-Americans out there, and there was before and will always be, and it's not necessarily Bush's fault. But I think Bush undermines the respect for America, and if someone were to come up and say to me, "Being anti-American is ignorant, I can't be against 290 million free people, but I can't be pro-American either under the circumstances." I'd have to shrug and say, "I understand."
The good thing is that America can win their respect back among these reasonable people by simply shedding Bush and the kind of always-right rhetoric (in both senses of the word right) that he has been pushing. |
Excellent post. |
Yes, I agree 100% and am thinking of taking it as the start point of a new thread - the topic could be interesting to a few here. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| hypnotist wrote: |
| Pligganease wrote: |
| Hating Bush is like hating the retarded kid that the other boys tell to bad things. He really doesn't know what he's doing. He's just doing what the smart people tell him to do. |
But - to use the rhetoric of a Texan Death Row Prosecutor - he's still smart enough to know the difference between right and wrong. |
True, but don't forget: He is from Texas.
Right and wrong down there are completely different from right and wrong everywhere else... 
Look at the presidents that have been from Texas... All of them start wars. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Well... he pretends to have always been from Texas. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| ��There��s an old rule in politics that says no slide is irreversible. The President��s declining numbers suggest he will go down in history as the exception to that rule.�� |
Clinton actually had worse approval ratings during his first term. 23% or something. He might have been the lowest in modern history. Worse than Carter. But he got back in. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
But who is loathed more, Bush or people like Cheney and Rove?
clownish bad or evil bad? |
I used to think there was a difference. I no longer do. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:19 am Post subject: |
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The Big Lie Technique
Robert Scheer
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State." Joseph Goebbels
Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it"
"The greater the lie, the greater the chance that it will be believed"
Adolf Hitler
At a time when approximately 57 percent of Americans polled believe that President Bush deceived them on the reasons for the war in Iraq, it does seem a bit redundant to deconstruct the President's recent speeches on that subject. Yet, to fail to do so would be to passively accept the Big Lie technique--which is how we as a nation got into this horrible mess in the first place.
The basic claim of the President's desperate and strident attack on the war's critics this past week is that he was acting as a consensus President when intelligence information left him no choice but to invade Iraq as a preventive action to deter a terrorist attack on America.
This is flatly wrong.
His rationalization for attacking Iraq, once accepted uncritically by most in Congress and the media easily intimidated by jingoism, now is known to be false. The bipartisan 9/11 Commission selected by Bush concluded unanimously that there was no link between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's secular dictatorship, Al Qaeda's sworn enemy. And a recently declassified 2002 document proves that Bush's "evidence" for this, available to top Administration officials, was based on a single discredited witness.
Clearly on the defensive, Bush now sounds increasingly Nixonian as he basically calls the majority of the country traitors for noticing he tricked us.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051128/scheer1116 |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:41 am Post subject: |
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| Hater Depot wrote: |
| Well... he pretends to have always been from Texas. |
Good point. GW is a blue-blood Yankee ... to the bone ...
In the United States, the term carpetbagger was an epithet used to refer to a Northerner (Yankee) who moved to the South during post-U.S. Civil War Reconstruction between 1865 and 1877. It was originally devised to suggest corruption and skulduggery, but was embraced by some of the Northerners involved
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpet_bagger |
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