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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:41 pm Post subject: Sex and the Jihadis |
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I was reading an article about Syria on the Asia Times Online site and came across this little gem.
"a generation of young Syrian men, with bleak prospects for obtaining the kind of livelihood that would allow them to marry and establish families, has a less metaphorical dysfunction for which Cialis or even Viagra will do little good: the difficulty of having sex in the present socio-economic circumstances.
According to Syrian journalist Abdjullah Ta'i, his interviews with young Syrians who went to Iraq to join the insurgency reveals that one of the more common reasons given for doing so was not religious or nationalistic. Rather, as one returnee put it, "My friends and I went to fight in Iraq because we thought we would find lots of sex there. People said that sex and prostitution are available in streets because of the poverty and disorder. We wanted to exploit that situation."
Sadly for the largely Sunni sex-jihadis, there wasn't much sex to be had in Iraq, largely because prostitutes, like most women, have been driven from the public space they used to occupy by the violence of the insurgency. (If they were Shi'ite, they might have been able to avail themselves of the innumerable Iranian-run "temporary marriage" hotels that have sprung up in Baghdad and the cities of the south).
But while many went home disappointed, others stayed and were hired by Islamist militias - and here the 72 virgins available to newly martyred jihadis is a particularly useful hiring incentive; although a few have actually married Iraqi women, thereby solving the problem that led them to Iraq in the first place.
Most, it seems, have not been that lucky. And if the majority who left Syria (at least partly) for sex come back with little else beyond increased religious enthusiasm, to an economy that shows little signs of offering them prospects for a better future - politically, economically, or sexually - the tenuous balance between the Syrian regime and its people will be increasingly threatened."
This puts a different spin on things, doesn't it? It kinda takes some of the wind out of the religious fanaticism arguments of people like rapier and bigverne. The jihadis aren't so 'other' after all. They just want to get laid, like the rest of us.
Here's a link to the whole article (Sex, Shopping and the Death of a Regime):
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GK17Ak04.html |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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This puts a different spin on things, doesn't it? It kinda takes some of the wind out of the religious fanaticism arguments of people like rapier and bigverne. The jihadis aren't so 'other' after all. They just want to get laid, like the rest of us. |
ROFL. Except the rest of us don't think about predicating getting laid under the terms of global Jihad. All you've sold us is a picture of how martyrs don't quite make it to blowing themselves up under a sexual schema, but you're selling it as proof against Islamofascism as a real threat.
Not so much a refutation as a comedy. |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone else find it wierd that, for such an article, the interviewees are Syrians? Ostensibly secular Syrians becoming involved in Islamic jihad for sex?
I guess what i'm driving at is: since Syria is not an Islamic state you can't really blame Islamic society for "a generation of young Syrian men, with bleak prospects for obtaining the kind of livelihood that would allow them to marry and establish families".
Not saying that this article does that, but we might as well point this out at the beginning of the thread or else we all know in what direction certain posters here are bound to carry it. |
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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe you should pimp out your daughter. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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you're selling it as proof against Islamofascism as a real threat.
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I laughed when I read the article, too. It seems to me it adds another dimension to the Islamofascism phenomenon. I don't see the phenomenon as an either/or situation. It is not all about sex. Neither is it all about religious fundamentalism. What it reminded me of above all else is the reason the anti-war demonstrations got so large in the late 60's. Lots of guys attended 'because that's where the hot chicks are'. I know because that's why some of my non-political friends went to them.
I was careful to say 'take SOME of the wind out of...' I'm not for a moment saying radical Islam is not a problem. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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After the killings at the Munich Olympics Yasser Arafat decided it was time to 'turn off' the group of hardened terrorists he'd put together to carry out those and other missions.
He went on a relentless campaign to get them married, forcing them to attend singles mixers and the like. It worked -- they all got married and never committed an act of terrorism again. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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It helped that Mossad eventually killed them all as well. |
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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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They just want to get laid, like the rest of us. |
Most of us go to bars, or cafes, or meet women online, or get our friends to hook us up. They go to warzones to engage in Jihad against infidels and maybe get some action on the sides. If that fails, then they can always blow themselves up and get the 72 virgins.
The fact that you have clutched at this straw to demonstrate that 'we aren't all that different after all' shows not only how desperate you are to believe the liberal crap you spout, but how blind you are to the huge chasm in culture between Islam and the West that article demonstrates.
Thanks for the post anyway. I'm sure all the victims of Islamic terror can rest easy, now they've heard that the Jihadis are just out to get some. |
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Bulsajo

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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
Maybe you should pimp out your daughter. |
I don't have a daughter, can i borrow your mom? |
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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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since Syria is not an Islamic state you can't really blame Islamic society for "a generation of young Syrian men, with bleak prospects for obtaining the kind of livelihood that would allow them to marry and establish families". |
Syria is not an Islamic state (few muslim countries are), but it is a muslim country. The elite may be secular in their outlook, but are the bulk of the population?
What do you mean 'you can't blame Islamic society'? Certainly, muslim countries, have, by and large, failed to provide their people with economic prosperity, and cultural factors play a part in that. How else can you explain the fact that Arab countries are only surpassed by sub-Saharan Africa in terms of economic mismanagement, even after many of them received billions in oil revenues. Yet, still their economies are basket cases.
How do you explain this dire state of affairs?
South Korea and Egypt were in the same situation 50 years ago. Compare the two countries now.
Muslim societies have not just failed economically, but politically. They are neither free, nor prosperous, and this sense of failure plays a large part in the attraction to the ideology of Islamism as a cure to all their ills. |
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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Bulsajo wrote: |
Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
Maybe you should pimp out your daughter. |
I don't have a daughter, can i borrow your mom? |
Sorry, I was aiming at Yata. And you got in the way.
Perhaps you missed yata's post on the Paris Is Burning thread. There, he suggested that Muslims wouldn't riot if only the good folks of France would offer up there daughters. How low can a man go? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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bigverne wrote: |
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What do you mean 'you can't blame Islamic society'? Certainly, muslim countries, have, by and large, failed to provide their people with economic prosperity, and cultural factors play a part in that. How else can you explain the fact that Arab countries are only surpassed by sub-Saharan Africa in terms of economic mismanagement, even after many of them received billions in oil revenues. Yet, still their economies are basket cases.
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Eh, I don't seem to recall any major IMF bailouts of any Arab countries in the past decade or two; certainly nothing on the scale of say, Argentina, Mexico, or Russia. Don't forget the financial crisis that rocked Asia in 1997.
But no, I won't argue that the arab world is in better shape financially than East Asia. Nevertheless, it isn't any worse and in some ways it is better than Latin American economies (with a couple exceptions in Chile and Uruguay). |
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Bulsajo

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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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South Korea and Egypt were in the same situation 50 years ago. Compare the two countries now. |
Is that some sort of a joke? As a matter of fact Korea was in a much much worse situation than Egypt was 50 years ago.
I must be misreading your post-
Are you trying to say that the only different factor between the two is an Islamic one, and that this accounts for their present differences?
That's incredibly puerile, even by this forum's standards. |
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jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
Maybe you should pimp out your daughter. |
Tut tut, seems you have a bad habit of insulting poster's female relatives. Is it related to your mental illness? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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bigverne old boy, you are so full of hate that you can't see the humor in any thing, can you? You need 10 deep breaths and a couple of shots of soju. Or maybe that's a couple of deep breaths and 10 shots of soju. |
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