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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:33 am    Post subject: HongDae Again in the news Reply with quote

In my surfing found this,
http://news.naver.com/news/read.php?mode=LSD&office_id=016&article_id=0000181069&section_id=102&menu_id=102

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With a translation by the Marmot.

http://blog.marmot.cc/archives/2005/08/09/hongik-u-a-hookup-paradise-for-foreign-men-and-korean-women/

The number of foreigners walking up and down in front of Hongik University is increasing. Clubs with foreign DJs are enjoying a boom, and there are more and more Korean women visiting these and particular clubs for ��booking�� (for definition of ��booking,�� see here and here). The clubs in front of the Hongik University, known as the birthplace of Korea��s indie culture, are transforming in a foreigner��s ��paradise for hunting women.��

As recently as the 2002 incident in which two middle school girls were killed by a U.S. military vehicle, the clubs in front of Hongik University were known as a ��no-entry�� area for U.S. soldiers. Foreign English teachers and foreign business folk like those who worked for financial firms in Yeouido were also banned from entry. An official with the Hongik University Club Federation said, ��I remember the ban on U.S. soldiers as a measure taken out of consideration for public sentiment when the soldiers were found not guilty [in the 2002 armored vehicle incident]�� The initial goal was to try to stop unfortunate incidents caused by U.S. soldiers from occuring.��

Afterwards, the flow of foreigners to the Hongik area stopped. Local residents openly complained that the Hongik area had been ruined ��because of the U.S. soldiers and foreigners,�� and club officials thoroughly put an end to the improper foreign club culture. The situation has changed, however. In 2003, the Hongik clubs began hiring foreign DJs and bands, and foreigners once again began heading to the area.

On official with one club in the area said, ��It appears that as Korean women thinking of marrying foreigners and women who studied abroad flock to Hongik area, the number of foreigners is also increasing�� We started performances by foreign bands in order to give the place a foreign atmosphere without having to go abroad.��

The reason why these women flock to the place, which seemed to have developed a healthy foreigner culture as foreigners became the norm there, is because the number of foreigners ��who want to meet ��real Koreans���� has increased. Ms. Lee, a 30-year-old who studied abroad, said, ��Hongik has now become a ��meeting place�� to meet with foreigners, with the number of younger women dating foreigners on the rise�� There are also countless women coming to the area to engage in booking with foreign men.��

Hongdae is now an area hot with youthful passion that has degenerated from being mixed up with foreigners. As the recent act of indecent exposure by a punk band on live TV showed, the diversity and individuality of the area in front of Hongik University is nowhere to be found. As the number of foreigners with more of an interest in booking and one night stands than in the music increases, there are many women coming to the clubs in search of ��blue-eyed men.��

The foreign men and Korean women enjoy heading to Picasso Street and ��M�� and ��A�� clubs. One foreign English teacher working in Gangnam said, ��The area in front of Hongik University is the only place in Korea where we can meet girlfriends�� There��s a general trend for Korean women to come up to you to talk, even if you��re just sitting in a club.��


Enjoy.
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ulsanchris



Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i saw this posted earlier on on here but i can't find it now. I think it has been deleted. So there is a fair chance this one will be deleted soon.
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uber1024



Joined: 28 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ulsanchris wrote:
i saw this posted earlier on on here but i can't find it now. I think it has been deleted. So there is a fair chance this one will be deleted soon.


In that case, if you've got anything to say that the mods will hate ... now's the time to get it out.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's disturbing that we can't discuss something that affects most of us (me because I'm married to a Korean and we have a daughter, and these "news" stories help spread animosity towards foreigners/mixed couples) without it being deleted.

Are we not allowed to discuss racism? Granted, the original thread had strayed a little into petty arguing and such, but I think specific posts could have been yanked, rather than the whole thread disappearing. Same goes for the thread from last week in which the term "FOB" was being discussed.

Welcome to China.

Sparkles*_*
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*edit*

I shouldn't slam the country cause her media is junk. Now I feel bad...


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SuperHero



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote:
Same goes for the thread from last week in which the term "FOB" was being discussed.

I missed that thread. What is "FOB". I've never heard that before.
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Zyzyfer



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote:
It's disturbing that we can't discuss something that affects most of us (me because I'm married to a Korean and we have a daughter, and these "news" stories help spread animosity towards foreigners/mixed couples) without it being deleted.

Are we not allowed to discuss racism? Granted, the original thread had strayed a little into petty arguing and such, but I think specific posts could have been yanked, rather than the whole thread disappearing. Same goes for the thread from last week in which the term "FOB" was being discussed.

Welcome to China.

Sparkles*_*


Well, I don't know what actually happened, but usually when they want to delete certain posts from a thread, they pull the thread out for a bit to do so.
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Hollywoodaction



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it possible to file a complaint concerning this article with the Korean government?
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stumptown



Joined: 11 Apr 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you serious? Like the government gives a sh-it about what foreigners think.
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Hollywoodaction



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd be surprised the stink it could cause if word got out to the foreign press.
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stumptown



Joined: 11 Apr 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hit the nail on the head. Instead of venting here, why don't we form a media defamation party. Anytime some group attacks us, we counterattack them?
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khyber



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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why don't we form a media defamation party. Anytime some group attacks us, we counterattack them?
I can see the headlines now!
oh wait...why would the media here REPORT on something that is critical of it? Especially from a waygook?
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction wrote:
You'd be surprised the stink it could cause if word got out to the foreign press.


More like a fart in the wind, I fear.

Sparkles*_*
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chiaa



Joined: 23 Aug 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote:
Hollywoodaction wrote:
You'd be surprised the stink it could cause if word got out to the foreign press.


More like a fart in the wind, I fear.

Sparkles*_*


It is a nice thing to send to a US Congressman who is already not to happy with the state of affairs in Korea...

Idea Idea
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billybrobby



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction wrote:
Is it possible to file a complaint concerning this article with the Korean government?


why? I didn't see anything in it that struck me as untrue. I don't know about the booking scene, but if koreans don't like booking, it's their culture, not ours. it even said that the motive behind us foreigners being there is that we want to meet 'the real koreans.' christ, I wish the truth was so nice and innocent.

file a complaint with the government? geez, sensitive much? are you think kind of dude who hears an ajosshi on street complaining in korean about the weather and thinks that me MUST be talking about you?

alright, let me slow down here. maybe i'm assuming too much. why do you think this article warrants government action?
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