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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
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 Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:02 am Post subject: pronounciation of "shall" |
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We have a Bingo game at our hagwon with a lot of "difficult to recognize" or confusing words, such as fast, first, last, left, laugh, etc. One of the words in the game is "shall" and I'm sorry to admit that I have no idea how to pronounce it in American English. The only way I've ever used it is in a fake British accent to say "Shall we dance?" or something similar. How should it be pronounced?
"a" as in "apple"?
"a" as in "father"?
"a" as in "hall"? |
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ajuma
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| "a" as in apple. The only time I've heard it used regularly is in the old Christian/civil rights-era song "We Shall Overcome". Amercans don't usually use shall...they also don't use mustn't! |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| Want to kill a whole 50-minute class? Try having your kids pronounce "rural." |
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tzechuk
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:23 am Post subject: |
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Sorry to be a spelling police.. but...
Pronunciation is spelt without the O in the middle... |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| We also don't say "hasn't" or "haven't" to mean not possess. Americans say "I don't have money" or "I haven't gone to the bank." I think the Brits sometimes say "I haven't money..." at least my students say that, and I don't know if they're incorrect to do so. |
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tzechuk
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
| We also don't say "hasn't" or "haven't" to mean not possess. Americans say "I don't have money" or "I haven't gone to the bank." I think the Brits sometimes say "I haven't money..." at least my students say that, and I don't know if they're incorrect to do so. |
You are right.
I always say I haven't any or I haven't got any... |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
Sorry to be a spelling police.. but...
Pronunciation is spelt without the O in the middle... |
Sorry to be a grammar cop, but "Sorry to be a spelling police," is a nonsensical phrase, certainly not a sentence, and three periods constitute an elipses (...) not two. |
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bellum99
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:54 am Post subject: |
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I don't care about your spelling fetish problems. Please leave correct spelling where it belongs, in the dictionary.  |
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ajuma
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:22 am Post subject: |
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It's those damn vowels!! I think I was absent when they taught them!! I like to spell pronounciation WITH the "o"! The heck with m-w.com!!  |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| JeJuJitsu wrote: |
| tzechuk wrote: |
Sorry to be a spelling police.. but...
Pronunciation is spelt without the O in the middle... |
Sorry to be a grammar cop, but "Sorry to be a spelling police," is a nonsensical phrase, certainly not a sentence, and three periods constitute an elipses (...) not two. |
Burn!
Let thee who has not been burned cast the first burn.
"Oooh. I know how to spell pronunciation. Give me a cookie."
Sorry to be a burn police. |
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baldrick
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
| We also don't say "hasn't" or "haven't" to mean not possess. Americans say "I don't have money" or "I haven't gone to the bank." I think the Brits sometimes say "I haven't money..." at least my students say that, and I don't know if they're incorrect to do so. |
Sorry Joe, the only Brits I know who say that live under a bridge and have black teeth. Thats just an example of terrible english. Personally (being a brit) I usually use haven't with got.......i.e. I haven't got it, He hasn't got any, but it is just as interchangable with 'don't have'. |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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And just for fun, English and Scottish usage of "shall" is different.
The English usually use "shall" in its mandatory sense whereas the Scots usually use it for a future event. The man in the sea ....
"I shall drown and no-one shall save me".
Well, A Scotsman might but an Englishman wouldn't, and not 'cos of the race! |
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ladyandthetramp
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| ajuma wrote: |
| "a" as in apple. The only time I've heard it used regularly is in the old Christian/civil rights-era song "We Shall Overcome". Amercans don't usually use shall...they also don't use mustn't! |
I've only heard it with the "a" in apple in western (cowboys and horses, that is) movies trying to use a high-class accent. I'd probably think the person was trying to overdo it if I heard it. I'd say the way most Americans (at least in the midwest) pronounce it is the same as the word "shell". |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh that's sweet - "Shell we tell the gels?" |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd say the way most Americans (at least in the midwest) pronounce it is the same as the word "shell". |
Not in my part of the Midwest. I'd say 'shall' rhymes with 'Al' Gore. If it weren't for the 'shalt nots', I think we'd have lost this word by now. |
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