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coffeeman



Joined: 24 Nov 2005
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:47 pm    Post subject: Switching Jobs Reply with quote

Has anybody tried switching jobs in the middle of their contracts? How much of a headache is it? I understand that without permission (employers here seldom let you go easily) you have to cancel your current visa and take a trip to Japan to get a new one sponsored by your new employer. Is the process a long and agonizing one?
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I understand that without permission (employers here seldom let you go easily) you have to cancel your current visa and take a trip to Japan to get a new one sponsored by your new employer. Is the process a long and agonizing one?


This is not quite accurate.

Quitting a job is fairly easy. You just quit. The hard part is getting permission to work again some place else.

a) If you quit mid-contract, you must get a letter of release (LOR) from the present boss giving you permission to work elsewhere. Some bosses do this with no problem. Others simply refuse.

b) If you get the LoR, you are OK to find a new job. Then you go to Japan for a new work visa.

c) If you do NOT get the LoR, you CANNOT legally work in Korea again until the current visa expires. Check your ARC card for the exact date.

d) What people did in the past was go to Japan and get a tourist visa and come back and work illegally. With the current crackdown, this would appear to be harder to pull off.


The key is the Letter of Release. If you have a good relationship with your present boss, ask for the LOR. Be prepared for a radical change in attitude toward you--it might provoke the boss into becoming hostile. If you already know you can't get an LOR, your options are much more limited.
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coffeeman



Joined: 24 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:50 pm    Post subject: The Missing Piece Reply with quote

Thanks Ya-ta! That makes a lot more sense. I guess another option would be to take off to another country (like Thailand), teach and enjoy a work vacation until your current visa runs out. Sure, you wouldn't make the same money, but it would be a positive way to deal with the oppressive labour laws here. Don't get bummed out by your selfish boss. Have a party!
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to go to another country, just leave. If you want to stay in Korea and change jobs mid-contract (like I did) be prepared to get nasty (like I did).
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or and this is revolutionary....be a profesional.

Give your employer notice.

Quit.

Get your LoR. If he or she won't oblige, go to the Labour board or contact efl-law.

Quick question: why do you want to leave your current job?

Running away without notice for no better reason then to quit is just sad. You shaft your employer, your coworkers and your students that way. Unless your school is cheating you should give notice and act like a grown up.
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bellum99



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you are in serious trouble, I would try to finish the contract. It really can bite you on the butt when you try to change jobs. If you have no choice then you do what you have to, but it is best to try and finish.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
Or and this is revolutionary....be a profesional.

Give your employer notice.

Quit.

Get your LoR. If he or she won't oblige, go to the Labour board or contact efl-law.

Quick question: why do you want to leave your current job?

Running away without notice for no better reason then to quit is just sad. You shaft your employer, your coworkers and your students that way. Unless your school is cheating you should give notice and act like a grown up.


That's exactly what I did. Except instead of bothering with the Labour Board or efl-law I make a list of all the parents' numbers and threatened to call them up with a bilingual K-friend and give them my honest opinion of the crap hogwan.
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coffeeman



Joined: 24 Nov 2005
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:16 pm    Post subject: switch Reply with quote

In my case, I like my job and students, but absolutely hate where I live. My neighbor comes home in the wee hours of the morning and shouts and laughs hysterically. I'd join in in the laughter, but I have to wake up at 6:30 everyday for work.

I've complained about this with my employer and they have been lazy about it saying "oh, well. we can give you a housing allowance and you can find your own place.". I think I'd be screwed if I did that because apartment leases are usually a year aren't they? I have 9 months left to my contract.

I don't really like the city in which I live anyway, so if I am going to move, I might as well get out of here and go onto a city I do like. But with the requirement of a letter of release, I might be screwed again. There seems to be no easy solution for this. Rolling Eyes

It might come down to two choices, to have a serious talk with my building owner and try to get the noise problem resolved (but I doubt the trashy neighbor will listen) or get out of Korea.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suggest you try to resolve the noise problem first, before you try anything else.

You didn't say why you dislike the city where you are now, so I don't know (obviously) what the problem is. I can say that Korean cities are pretty much all the same. If the problem is lack of Western restaurants, that is different. You have no guarantee that new neighbors won't be just as annoying as the present ones. Lots of people have problems with that...vegetable trucks outside the window, drunk and rowdy neighbors, an elementary school across the street, construction starting early in the morning...

You've been here three months, right? That's about the time most people have it the toughest. The honeymoon is over. Realization that a routine life has been established. The little things about living here that you could ignore before, are no longer tolerable. Time for culture shock (exaggerated negative responses to relatively small problems) to set in.

Anyway, good luck.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's exactly what I did. Except instead of bothering with the Labour Board or efl-law I make a list of all the parents' numbers and threatened to call them up with a bilingual K-friend and give them my honest opinion of the crap hogwan.


Yum..harsh but I dare say effective! Very Happy

To the OP: you like your job and students but don't like where you live?

Well running would really make a dumbo out of you then (sorry if this insults your sensitivities).

You have several options and already mentioned one of them.

Heck, talk to your landlord. Talk to your boss. Get a housing allowance and find your own place in an area you like better.

Which city are you in and how do you know you will like another Korean city better (have you been or lived in another city?).

If the housing question becomes unsolvable than quit with notice and bite the bullet.
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