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MSG - The Slow Poisoning Of Mankind
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:28 pm    Post subject: MSG - The Slow Poisoning Of Mankind Reply with quote

MSG Hides Behind 25+ Names, Such As 'Natural Flavouring'
MSG Is Also In Your Favorite Coffee Shops And Drive-Ups
9-12-5

I wondered if there could be an actual chemical causing the massive obesity epidemic, so did a friend of mine, John Erb.

He was a research assistant at the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada, and spent years working for the government.

He made an amazing discovery while going through scientific journals for a book he was writing called "The Slow Poisoning of America".

In hundreds of studies around the world, scientists were creating obese mice and rats to use in diet or diabetes test studies. No strain of rat or mice is naturally obese, so the scientists have to create them. They make these morbidly obese creatures by injecting them with MSG when they are first born. The MSG triples the amount of insulin the pancreas creates; causing rats (and humans?) to become obese. They even have a title for the fat rodents they create: "MSG-Treated Rats".

I was shocked too. I went to my kitchen, checking the cupboards and the fridge. MSG was in everything: The Campbell's soups, the Hostess Doritos, the Lays flavoured potato chips, Top Ramen, Betty Crocker Hamburger Helper, Heinz canned gravy, Swanson frozen prepared meals, Kraft salad dressings, especially the 'healthy low fat' ones.

The items that didn't have MSG marked on the product label had something called ''Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein'', which is just another name for Monosodium Glutamate.

It was shocking to see just how many of the foods we feed our children everyday are filled with this stuff. They hide MSG under many different names in order to fool those who carefully read the ingredient list, so they don't catch on. (Other names for MSG: 'Accent' - 'Aginomoto' - 'Natural Meet Tenderizer', etc) But it didn't stop there. When our family went out to eat, we started asking at the restaurants what menu items had MSG.

Many employees, even the managers, swore they didn't use MSG. But when we ask for the ingredient list, which they grudgingly provided, sure enough MSG and Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein were everywhere:

Burger King
McDonalds
Wendy's
Taco Bell


And every restaurant like: TGIF, Chilis', Applebees and Denny's use MSG in abundance.

Kentucky Fried Chicken seemed to be the WORST offender: MSG was in EVERY chicken dish, salad dressing and gravy. No wonder I loved to eat that coating on the skin, their secret spice was MSG.

So, why is MSG in so may of the foods we eat?

Is it a preservative or a vitamin? Not according to my friend John. In the book he wrote he said that MSG is added to food for the addictive effect it has on the human body.

http://www.spofamerica.com

Even the propaganda website sponsored by the food manufacturers lobby group supporting MSG at: http://www.msgfactscom/facts/msgfact12.html explains that the reason they add it to food is to make people EAT MORE OF THEIR PRODUCTS.

A study of the elderly showed that people eat more of the foods it is added to.The Glutamate Association lobby group says eating more benefits the elderly, but what does it do to the rest of us? 'Betcha can't eat just one', takes on a whole new meaning where MSG is concerned! And we wonder why the nation is overweight?

The MSG manufacturers themselves admit that it addicts people to their products. It makes people choose their product over others, and makes people eat more of it than they would if MSG wasn't added.

Not only is MSG scientifically proven to cause obesity, it is an addictive substance! Since its introduction into the American food supply fifty years ago, MSG has been added in larger and larger doses to the pre-packaged meals, soups, snacks and fast foods we are tempted to eat everyday.The FDA has set no limits on how much of it can be added to food. They claim it's safe to eat in any amount. How can they claim it safe when there are hundreds of scientific studies with titles like these? :-

'The monosodium glutamate (MSG) obese rat as a model for the study of exercise in obesity'. GobattoCA, Mello MA, Souza CT, Ribeiro IA.Res Commun Mol Pathol Pharmacol. 2002.

'Adrenalectomy abolishes the food-induced hypothalamic serotonin release in both normal and monosodium glutamate-obese rats'. Guimaraes RB, Telles MM, Coelho VB, Mori C, Nascimento CM, Ribeiro Brain Res Bull. 2002 Aug.

'Obesity induced by neonatal monosodium glutamate treatment in spontaneously hypertensive rats: an animal model of multiple risk factors'. Iwase M, Yamamoto M, Iino K, IchikawaK, Shinohara N, Yoshinari Fujishima Hypertens Res. 1998 Mar.

'Hypothalamic lesion induced by injection of monosodium glutamate in suckling period and subsequent development of obesity'. Tanaka K, Shimada M, Nakao K, Kusunoki Exp Neurol. 1978 Oct.

Yes, that last study was not a typo, it WAS written in 1978. Both the "medical research community" and "food manufacturers" have known about MSG's side effects for decades! Many more studies mentioned in John Erb's book link MSG to Diabetes, Migraines and headaches, Autism, ADHD and even Alzheimer's. But what can we do to stop the food manufactures from dumping fattening and addictive MSG into our food supply and causing the obesity epidemic we now see?

Even as you read this, G. W. Bush and his corporate supporters are pushing a Bill through Congress called the "Personal Responsibility in Food Consumption Act" also known as the "Cheeseburger Bill", this sweeping law bans anyone from suing food manufacturers, sellers and distributors. Even if it comes out that they purposely added an addictive chemical to their foods.

Read about it for yourself at:

http://www.yahoo.com.

The Bill has already been rushed through the House of Representatives, and is due for the same rubber stamp at Senate level. It is important that Bush and his corporate supporters get it through before the media lets everyone know about 'MSG, the intentional Nicotine for food'.

Several months ago, John Erb took his book and his concerns to one of the highest government health officials in Canada. While sitting in the Government office, the official told him "Sure, I know how bad MSG is, I wouldn't touch the stuff." But this top level government official refused to tell the public what he knew.

The big media doesn't want to tell the public either, fearing legal issues with their advertisers. It seems that the fallout on fast food industry may hurt their profit margin. The food producers and restaurants have been addicting us to their products for years, and now we are paying the price for it. Our children should not be cursed with obesity caused by an addictive food additive. But what can I do about it?... I'm just one voice.

What can I do to stop the poisoning of our children, while our governments are insuring financial protection for the industry that is poisoning us.

This e-mail is going out to everyone I know in an attempt to tell you the truth that the corporate owned politicians and media won't tell you. The best way you can help to save yourself and your children from this drug-induced epidemic, is to forward this email to everyone. With any luck, it will circle the globe before politicians can pass the legislation protecting those who are poisoning us. The food industry learned a lot from the tobacco industry. Imagine if big tobacco had a bill like this in place before someone blew the whistle on Nicotine?

If you are one of the few who can still believe that MSG is good for us, and you don't believe what John Erb has to say, see for yourself. Go to the National Library of Medicine, at http://www.pubmed.com. Type in the words "MSG Obese" and read a few of the 115 medical studies that appear.

We the public, do not want to be rats in one giant experiment and we do not approve of food that makes us into a nation of obese, lethargic, addicted sheep, feeding the food industry's bottom line, while waiting for the heart transplant, diabetic induced amputation, blindness or other obesity induced, life threatening disorders. With your help we can put an end to this poison.

Do your part in sending this message out by word of mouth, e-mail or by distribution of this print-out to all your friends all over the world and stop this 'Slow Poisoning of Mankind' by the packaged food industry.

Blowing the whistle on MSG is our responsibility, get the word out.
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Swiss James



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

then why aren't chinese people fat?
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fidel



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Location: North Shore NZ

PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YOU'RE KIDDING RIGHT! You only now found out that MSG was bad for you? I take it you haven't noticed the signs over the past decade or so at your neighborhood restaurant advertising the fact that they are "MSG FREE!"

Do people actually believe that MSG is good for them? FREAKY!
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Swiss James



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most scientific research would suggest otherwise- here's a good article

"If MSG is so bad for you, why doesn't everyone in Asia have a headache?"
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fidel



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Location: North Shore NZ

PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
"If MSG is so bad for you, why doesn't everyone in Asia have a headache?"
S hit my students complain of headaches all the time, I tell them to tell someone who gives a toss. Hell, I can't go an hour in Korea without a random person muttering under their breath about some ailment.
"Aigooo, pae apoh" or :"shissss, More ree apoh"

Please excuse my romanization efforts!
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Col.Brandon



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't democracy wonderful?
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Yesterday



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Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)

PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:04 am    Post subject: Re: MSG - The Slow Poisoning Of Mankind Reply with quote

I like this bit...
igotthisguitar wrote:
......also known as the "Cheeseburger Bill", this sweeping law bans anyone from suing food manufacturers, sellers and distributors. Even if it comes out that they purposely added an addictive chemical to their foods.

Read about it for yourself at:

http://www.yahoo.com.


Read it for yourself at www.yahoo.com? can I also read about it at www.msn.com or www.google.com ??

Also about "why aren't Chinese people fat...?? I think asians have lucky genes... naturally slim bodies, smooth baby-texture-hairless skin - beautiful thick hair... but my Korean friends swears they are thin because they always drink a glass of green-tea after every meal... not sure if its true but it was recommended to me to do that in order to stay slim....
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nev



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christ, the safer our lives get, the stupider the things we have to find to scare ourselves with.
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The Great Toad



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Show me a pure vegan who eats all organic and I'll show you and Monster of Power and Strength like Greg Lemond or me Whoooo Glut Junk Food Like it's Turkish Delight
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patchy



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for starting this thread, igotthisguitar. It's very informative and got me started checking out some links on MSG. My reading has found that:

- aspartame acts essentially in the same way as MSG altering brain chemistry and addicting one to food; diet sodas are just as fattening as the non-diet drinks and possibly more so

- MSG is everywhere - it's even sprayed on produce - Auxigro - and gets absorbed into the food, so even lettuce, broccoli has MSG in it. Even organic farms may be using Auxigro not realizing that it's the same as MSG

-it's added to pet food. The reason why your cat is obese and prefers eating the brand of catfood it does and won't eat anything else especially the healthier scientific diets sold at the vets, is because of the MSG they add to the pet food; the animals become addicted to it like humans; not coincidentally the best-selling pet food is heavily laden with MSG including even hamster/rabbit pellet food

-basically they add it to everything - if it's processed food, that is bought in the supermarket and prepared food - it has MSG in it 90-99% of the time - it's hard to avoid unless you prepare all your meals from scratch - but you still have the Auxigro problem with fruits and veggies.

-there's loads of MSG in ramen - that's why you see so many Koreans addicted to it - some people eat it for breakfast, lunch and dinner. The ramen craze started in Japan who invented packaged ramen and MSG; and now the Mexicans and South Americans are getting into the act and abandoning their more traditional diet as the ramen sellers have penetrated these markets. http://news.yahoo.com/s/latimests/20051021/ts_latimes/steepedinanewtradition

-food manufacturing has been a highly developed science in the US longer than anywhere else and so Americans have had more MSG than anyone else and for longer and that's why they're the most obese nation on earth. MSG is addicting pure and simple.

-the Chinese etc use MSG but Asians in general have much fresh produce in their diet that Americans don't have a lot of and their diets are in other ways different, the Japanese have a lot of seafood, Asians eat a rice-based diet as opposed to the wheat-based diet of the west and so on ... these differences could explain the lower incidence of obesity in Asians, plus I think overall Americans eat more MSG than Asians on average - it's not only in Chinese takeaways as people tend to assume

-it's virtually impossible to avoid MSG it'll get you one way or another - someone is profiting from your addiction and subsequent obesity (and then attempts to lose weight)

-I've heard the argument that MSG is safe because it occurs naturally in foods like tomatoes but this is not true, cooking tomatoes makes the MSG 'active' or something like that - and makes the tomatoes that more addictive - there's a link somewhere about this explaining why it's not the same as eating natural foods that have high levels of MSG which I can't find.


Some links:

http://www.truthinlabeling.org/

http://www.truthinlabeling.org/Obesity.html

http://health.benabraham.com/html/obesity_from_msg_food_additive.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/msg/msgobesity.html

http://www.organicconsumers.org/foodsafety/msgandobesity081105.cfm

http://www.msgmyth.com/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi?pg=next&topic=7&page=403

http://www.newstarget.com/009379.html

http://www.rense.com/general52/msg.htm

http://www.truthinlabeling.com/Obesity.html

http://www.msgmyth.com/discus/messages/board-topics.html

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/foodmonthly/story/0,9950,1522368,00.html


I avoid ramen these days although I used to eat it everyday when I first came to Korea. I know when I've had MSG inadvertently - I found it in budaejiggae the other day, they use ramen to make it - when I get palpitations, light headedness and an uncomfortable anxiety feeling and then a headache later that day or the next day (probably a withdrawal headache).


Terrible stuff, and I've lost more than 10 kilos since I started to avoid it.
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sundubuman



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank God for this thread. Until now, I refused to accept the fact that I was an addict.

I mean almost every morning when I wake up....I just have to get my fix. And at midday, and in the evening too......

I just can't stop eating food.

And now I learn that the evil republicans are going to stop me from exercising my right to enrich lawyers by suing food manufacturers for my addiction to food!

I won't stand for it........I'm fed up!!!!!!
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steroidmaximus



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the above post wins the funniest post of the month award




geez, haven't you figured it out?? It's all part of the alien plot to fatten us all up before the harvesting. Damn, how many times do I have to spell this out for youse?? ALIEN HARVESTING!! OK???!!
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patchy



Joined: 26 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sundubuman wrote:
Thank God for this thread. Until now, I refused to accept the fact that I was an addict.

I mean almost every morning when I wake up....I just have to get my fix. And at midday, and in the evening too......

I just can't stop eating food.



Being "addicted" to eating food to maintain your setpoint weight (as dictated by nature) - all animals including humans have a natural setpoint weight if they stick to their natural diet - ever seen an overweight cheetah? or a skinny walrus (when it has access to plenty of fish)? - is not the same as being addicted to overeating.

Overeating involves satiety messages being overridden because of chemicals in food (MSG is one of the big culprits if not the main one) telling your brain you have to eat. And eat, and eat ......

And I dont think our natural setpoint weight is meant to be as high as this:

http://www.dimensionsmagazine.com/dimtext/kjn/people/heaviest.htm

Fact: 50% of Americans are officially whales.


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And now I learn that the evil republicans are going to stop me from exercising my right to enrich lawyers by suing food manufacturers for my addiction to food!

I won't stand for it........I'm fed up!!!!!!

And neither should you, you should never condone people making a profit by misleading people. There should be truth in labeling and that's the government's job to make sure that the food manufacturers aren't conning the public by hiding the fact their "food" has MSG; instead the government is getting into the profit game themselves corrupt as they are - protecting the public's interests they're not, they're a lobby group for people with billions of dollars - corporations, namely.
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coolsage



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MSG, chemically speaking, is essentially common table salt on steroids. It does enhance flavor, and is particularly associated with Chinese food, much of which tends toward the bland without a hit of MSG. Like almost anything else, a little won't hurt you, but a lot will.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your post is in the wrong forum.
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