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Green Party not invited to the leaders' debates, again
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 12:35 pm    Post subject: Green Party not invited to the leaders' debates, again Reply with quote

I didn't think they would have the balls to try to exclude them again this time after the change in financing rules but that seems to be the case:
http://www.greenparty.ca/mediarelease79.html

I checked and couldn't find a petition online yet, so I started one:

http://www.petitiononline.com/grn2006/petition.html


One on the same site in 2004 received over 13000 votes (I was around #700), so let's double that this time.

Octavius?


Edit: Since yesterday there have been two new petitions. Don't sign mine (not that anyone did), sign this one:

http://petition.greenparty.ca/en/

Or this one:

http://new.petitiononline.com/gpmee06/petition.html


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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's.
Have you contacted anyone from the party to coordinate your petition with others which might be taking place ?

Quote:
The Two Per Cent Solution
Backgrounder
Despite tremendous public pressure, strong polling, and a full slate of candidates in the 2004 federal election, Green Party of Canada leader Jim Harris was excluded from the nationally-televised leaders�� debate. The Green Party was not even offered the opportunity to meet face-to-face with the broadcast consortium to state its case for inclusion.

The Green Party must be included in the 2005 debate.

Thanks to Bill C-24, the consortium now has a solution to the ��who to include�� dilemma and their ever shifting ground rules. Bill C-24 was passed by Parliament in 2003. The bill allots $1.75 per vote to all federal parties that achieve 2 per cent or more of the national popular vote. The only fair solution to the consortium��s dilemma: include any leader from any political party that achieves 2 per cent in the previous general election.

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Download Backgrounder in pdf 852Kb

http://www.greenparty.ca/
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The Man known as The Man



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bulsajo wrote:
Let's.
Have you contacted anyone from the party to coordinate your petition with others which might be taking place ?

Quote:
The Two Per Cent Solution
Backgrounder
Despite tremendous public pressure, strong polling, and a full slate of candidates in the 2004 federal election, Green Party of Canada leader Jim Harris was excluded from the nationally-televised leaders�� debate. The Green Party was not even offered the opportunity to meet face-to-face with the broadcast consortium to state its case for inclusion.

The Green Party must be included in the 2005 debate.

Thanks to Bill C-24, the consortium now has a solution to the ��who to include�� dilemma and their ever shifting ground rules. Bill C-24 was passed by Parliament in 2003. The bill allots $1.75 per vote to all federal parties that achieve 2 per cent or more of the national popular vote. The only fair solution to the consortium��s dilemma: include any leader from any political party that achieves 2 per cent in the previous general election.

More...
Download Backgrounder in pdf 852Kb

http://www.greenparty.ca/


Yeah, I emailed them right after I created it. Last time they advertised the petition on their site. It's possible they might want to distance themselves from something like this this time around though, since petitions don't really do much and aren't what big parties use.
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just edited the op. The Green Party has an official petition now so sign that instead.
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Wrench



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sorry but the Green party seems like a joke.
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Octavius Hite



Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the heads up I am spreading the message as we speak, my minions are working on gathering signatures.

It really p*sses me off that we're still having this fight but it just means that we have to win a seat this year.

As for those who are suspect of the party don't be. It has the good social values of the NDP but the fiscal reponsibility of the Liberals and its vision of moving our economy into the future of renewable energy is so important that it cannot be ignored any longer.

http://green.ca/
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Moldy Rutabaga



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In '93 the Conservatives were reduced for a while to a handful of seats, and at times the NDP has had tiny blocs. No one suggested they be shut out of the next debates. With a significant number of voters choosing Green it looks cheap by the other parties and the media to exclude them.

Ken:>
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ifa79



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The New Green Party has rebranded itself quite well and is lucky to do so at a time when people are ashamed of the Liberals but still know their policies are the best compared to the other two. Jim Harris is bringing credibility to a party that is still trying to shed the annoying, self-rightous hippy image. They will be able to take voters and soon candidates from all the other parties.
I'd like to see some Green MPs prop up the Liberal minority rather than "tax and spend" NDPers. I think they would give Martin an excuse to implement Kyoto. Hopefully some Green wins in Canada would help the Green Party in the USA get going. That's the most important thing.

It is now a joke that the Greens are out of the debate. The Bloc and Reform both had debate seats in 1993 and they weren't even running candidates in all provinces. I don't even know why the Bloc is allowed to be in parlement anyway, but that's another debate....
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Newbie



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canada needs the Bloc Quebecois much more than they do the Green Party.

Good god. We already have the NDP taking up valuable votes with no chance of winning, what the heck do we need the Green Party doing the same thing for.

Quebec needs, deserves, and should always have a seperate voice in parliament. (and this coming from a Torontonian)
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrench wrote:
I am sorry but the Green party seems like a joke.

Every party has to start somewhere.
Given the alternatives, the joke would be on the Canadian voter.
None of the big parties appeal to me or (in my opinion) deserve my vote, so why not support a party that has a chance at growing and at least widening the debate and range of voter choice in Canada?
That doesn't mean I have to pledge my allegiance in blood to them or promise to vote Green for the next 15 federal elections, but for this election they make the most sense for me.

So Wrench, if the Greens are a joke, care to tell us who you are going to vote for so we can have an equal opportunity to disparage your choice?
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Free World



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just signed this one: http://petition.greenparty.ca/en/28
Why is there no counter? I see a lot of names but it would be nice to know what the number is at.
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, they finally added a counter:

http://www.info-greenparty.ca/petition/list.asp

7827 people so far. The total they got over the last election was 13500 or so.
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

12150 now. That's just about the grand total from last time, and the first debate hasn't even started.
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was also most impressed that this famed personage took time out to sign the petition:

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