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The growth of islam in korea
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:43 am    Post subject: The growth of islam in korea Reply with quote

Muslims Celebrate 50 Years in Korea

It was half a century ago that two Muslims, Imam Zubercoch and Abdul Rahman, fought for peace in the Korean War as part of the UN forces and in the process introduced Islam's holy book, the Koran, to Korea.
Korea now has some 100,000 Muslims, more than 30 percent of whom are Koreans. That Islamic fundamentalists were behind major terrorist acts worldwide has meant that many ordinary Muslims face discrimination. But religious leaders insist Islam is a peaceful faith.


Korean muslims serve in iraq.

Islam is said to be the fastest growing religion on earth and followed by one-fifth of the world population.
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200510/200510140006.html
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Compared to Judaism and Catholicism, it's quick and easy to convert to Islam. That's why it spreads as fast as it does, not to mention attraction to the Prophet's message itself.

At one point in human history, Islam was on the cutting-edge of science and govt. I understand that, at its height, Islamic civilization invented trig and sailing, among other very valuable things.

While in high school in the U.S., my next door neighbor was an Arab doctor, and very religious, too. Extremely wise and pleasant man. We used to spend hours every weekend in his house on his Ham radio talking to ships as far away as the Indian Ocean. (My badass cat, Puffy, used to terrorize his wussy cat, in his own house, no less. So he set up an electric shock-style trap in his doggy door for Puffy, and she stopped going over there rather quickly.)

Islam has been in something of a cultural decline for centuries, and is very much plauged by a fundamentalist conservatism that breeds intolerance of the West and also leads to the extreme violence that we've seen for decades.

Beyond that issue it's as good as any other religion. If Islam comes to Korea, good for Korea. Koreans need more influences from other parts of the world.


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dulouz



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islam grows quickly due to birth rates. The message isn't impressing anyone. Babies aren't involved in adult choices.

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intolerance of the West and also leads to the extreme violence that we've seen for decades


Islam hates everyone. The Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, Athiests, Bhuddists, Zorasters etc area all bullied about by Islam. It ain't just hatred of the West, you minimized the problem.

Islam screws things up, its a bad form of government. You practice a form a bigotry, you are a bigot. "I have a friend who is Muslim who is nice" therefore all Muslims are nice. Islam, esp the governement kind is bad. I'm Christian and I wish the Muslims would not ask for the humanity from us they could not get from their fellow Muslims when they migrate to Europe. After recieving such humanity, go about stabbing us in the back.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm Christian and I wish the Muslims would not ask for the humanity from us they could not get from their fellow Muslims when they migrate to Europe. After recieving such humanity, go about stabbing us in the back.


So, a Christian's obligation to recognize a person's humanity is dependant upon how much recognition that person gets from people in his own group?
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dulouz wrote:
It ain't just hatred of the West, you minimized the problem.


If I minimized anything, it was out of ignorance and not deception. I do not dislike or fear Islam. I don't consider myself a bigot. "Dr. Ralph" does not make me a bigot, but he would make it difficult for me to dehumanize practitioners of the faith if I were so inclined to do so...

In any case, you're clearly just another of many haters on this board. And there're already enough of you here.

And I'm tired of dealing with your kind. So I'm rubber and your glue and whatever you say bounces off me and sticks on you.
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dulouz



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christain does not equal stupid. You will need a new argument or dupe method. Yea sorry, there are limits.
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dulouz



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher, I'm tired of the liars. I'm tired of you. I critisize something, esp something exotic and I'm a "hater".. you really believe you have the world by that strategy, don't you? You really think you just call someone a hater and you get pretty much whatever you want? There are legitimate grievences and you have to acknowledge they exist. You seem set to make sure that never happens. I'll like the Muslims when they go home and we can have an abuse free relationship.
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bigverne



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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not to mention attraction to the Prophet's message itself.


Yes, to many, brutality, summary executions, revenge, lust, power and paedophilia are certainly attractive. Perhaps you should do some reading about this great man, and maybe you'll be able to look past the PC niceities.

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Islam has been in something of a cultural decline for centuries


Not so much a cultural decline as being overtaken by other civilizations and cultures.

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Beyond that issue it's as good as any other relgion.


Right, so apart from Shariah Law, terrorism, Jihad, and rampant intolerance against religious minorities, it's just as harmless as Jainism. Wonderful logic.

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If Islam comes to Korea, good for Korea.


Islam has certainly done wonders for the rest of the world. Korea should not be denied the wonders of muslims calling for the imposition of Shariah Law, the slaying of critical filmmakers, the banning of pigs and the burkha.

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Koreans need more influences from other parts of the world.


True, but they need Islam about as much as they need communism.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Christain does not equal stupid. You will need a new argument or dupe method. Yea sorry, there are limits.


So, for a Christian, there are limits to granting someone recognition as a human being? Would you, as a Christian, care to back this up with something from the New Testament?
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dulouz wrote:
I'll like the Muslims when they go home and we can have an abuse free relationship.


Yeah, there's no hatred in these words. You're no better than their extremists are.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigVerne: what do you want? Extirminate Islam? It's clear you see nothing good in it. I've glanced through pages and pages of you arguing with the Bobster (and the Bobster arguing with you) over this issue.

So do you want Islam gone?
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with him is that he doesn't know what he wants. Every time I've pressed him for actual details on what to do it's usually 'don't let muslims in.' 'Okay, how about the president of Afghanistan? What about his family? What about Asian muslims? What about people of pure European descent who have decided to become muslim?' 'Uh.....' 'How exactly are you planning to keep them out, and what exact governmental process are you going to use to accomplish this?'

uh....

Next post is a quote from a blog about muslims doing something bad in Europe.
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Nowhere Man



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:27 am    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

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At one point in human history, Islam was on the cutting-edge of science and govt. I understand that, at its height, Islamic civilization invented trig and sailing, among other very valuable things.


I think that's kind of like saying Christianity was on the cutting edge of establishing that the Sun was the center of our solar system. It happened in a Christian country, but it was more for reasons of economic and cultural prosperity, not due to religion.

Rather, I think that you're showing that religion is largely irrelevant to development. Rather, economic and cultural prosperity are more important.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know enough about the Middle East to really back it up. But my understanding is that the birth of Islam there is responsible for the political and cutural fourescence that followed -- I'm talking about several centuries ago.

I don't know which is more important -- religion, economics, or other cultural factors -- generally, that is, which causes the other all over the globe throughout human history. I'm fairly certain that great things in the Mid-East followed the emergence of Islam as a force, though.

I fully realize that Islam has mostly lost this today and it's at least as problematic as any other religion (but also just as good as any other religion, because I am no fan of any organized religion, and I believe Marx was mostly correct on this point), but for a while, at least, great things happened in that part of the world. It was something of a center. And Islam, or at least the energy surrounding it, was a causation.
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dulouz wrote:
Christain does not equal stupid. .

Actually, no one mentioned Christianity until you did. Sort of a wierd non sequiteur, considering the spelling error and the reference to "stupid."

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Islam grows quickly due to birth rates.

Sounds like the "Yellow Peril" all over again ...

Gopher is scoring the most points so far, despite (perhaps because of) admitting his lack of expertise ...

bigverne, on the other hand, well, same ol' same ol' ...

As Gopher asked him :

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So do you want Islam gone?

I'm guessing the answer is,"Sure. yesterday, if possible."
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