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stejskalova



Joined: 07 Apr 2004
Location: daegu south korea

PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:15 am    Post subject: WINTER CAMP, CINTER WAMP! Reply with quote

I�m trying get in on the tail end of a winter camp session for 2006, but it seems like the only contracts available are the ones graciously offering less than 2 million a month for 70 hours of work a week.

Does anyone know of any camps that are still hiring with fair offers or can anyone tell me of a better source to find them other than ESL Caf�?

Any help or commentary would be splendid.

Thanks
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stejskalova



Joined: 07 Apr 2004
Location: daegu south korea

PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm familiar with:

worknplay
english spectrum
pusan web
and all of the papers, ect

but is there any other place I could find a position?
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stejskalova



Joined: 07 Apr 2004
Location: daegu south korea

PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi any help?
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denverdeath



Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn

PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know if this is much help or not, but...definitely don't work at a place that's offering you 2mil for a month where you're teaching 70 hours a week...I guess I never even had to say that. Even at public/private elem/mid/high schools, teachers aren't expected to be there that long...usu their 40 hours includes lots of breaks where they can prepare if necessary. All that I can recommend is keep checking the boards and making inquiries. I'm doing a camp for four hours for three weeks and I'm getting paid 30,000 per hour. Some special activities and a little paperwork, but no other baloney...that's what I consider to be a good camp. I'll get approx 1.8 for 60 hours(total). If I were you, I'd tell those other places to stuff it. I don't know if you're in country of not; but, if you are, you might want to make some inquiries at unis. If you're qualified and they're interested in you, you might get an offer which is better...also keep in mind that the summer camps may be a bit busier time so it might be a bit harder to land a winter camp position. Best of luck. Sorry that I probably didn't tell you anything you didn't already know.

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denverdeath



Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn

PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One was put up on pusanweb today by B/PNU. LOTS(11) of hours daily but it's only for three weeks and the pay is 3mil. Only about 13,000won per hour if you're expected to work weekends too, which I think you might. However, it looks like it might be of interest for people with the right kind of attitude and the desire to work at a new program at a new language centre after the camp is done...or it just might only be crap. It also looks like they may only be looking for in-country applicants...are you here or elsewhere?
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stejskalova



Joined: 07 Apr 2004
Location: daegu south korea

PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw that posting and inquired, thank you denverdeath.

I got the feeling that they were looking for people in-country, which I��m not. I guess it��s probably part of the reason why I have only been offered terrible conditions. I am however, qualified and experienced beyond the normal prerequisites for teaching in Korea. I was hoping this would be enough to tug things in my favor for a delicious month long position with airfare provided, but no such luck - yet.

Most people are on an E-4 (I might be getting that numeric confused) visa, are they not? Doesn��t that make them ineligible to teach for any other school than the one supporting their visa? I don��t get why winter camps are holding out for such a teacher to risk deportation, and not just pay the extra whatever on a flight to hire out a legal temporary C-4 worker.

Anyways, if anyone has leads on positions or knows of other resources, please list them for all winter camp seekers to see here – thanks.
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stejskalova



Joined: 07 Apr 2004
Location: daegu south korea

PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just received an offer of 2.0 for 25 days of work, 12 hours a day, with airfare included. The thing is, they say actual teaching time is only 6 hours, but you must ��socialize�� with the kids for another 6 – should this be suspect?

I also got another offer of 3.0 for one month, 8 hours a day Mon-Sat, but this would be minus airfare (which would be like a grand USD) and visa costs.

These are the two best prospects I��ve found, what are peoples opinions on them?
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ejmlab



Joined: 17 Feb 2005
Location: Pohang

PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They may not be the best positions available but on the other hand both of them get you into the country with money in your pocket and tons of opportunity to pick up a good contract following camp season. Seems win/win to me.

Cheers
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denverdeath



Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stejskalova wrote:
Most people are on an E-4 (I might be getting that numeric confused) visa, are they not? Doesn��t that make them ineligible to teach for any other school than the one supporting their visa? I don��t get why winter camps are holding out for such a teacher to risk deportation, and not just pay the extra whatever on a flight to hire out a legal temporary C-4 worker.


E-2 visas are the ones you mean, I think. A lot of people with an E-2 visa could actually work one of these camps legally as long as they get the o.k. from their work place and immigration...just takes a little bit of paperwork from their E-2 sponsor and the new place, and a trip to immi with 60,000won for the add-on. However, most of these people wouldn't be able to do the camps you've been looking at as the camps wouldn't fit into their regular workplaces' schedules. Your other main competitors are E-2/E-1 uni teachers who are staying in-country during their winter breaks as many of them have a full two months of vacation and may wish to make some extra coin. Last, is the F-2-1(marriage) visa holders. They can work these positions without having to do any kind of paperwork as long as the position doesn't interfere with their main workplace. Maybe what ejmlab said is good advice. If you want to find out whether you want to stay in Korea, one of those places you've been looking into might not be too bad...you can do a little shopping around when you have some down time.
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denverdeath



Joined: 21 May 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stejskalova wrote:
I just received an offer of 2.0 for 25 days of work, 12 hours a day, with airfare included. The thing is, they say actual teaching time is only 6 hours, but you must ��socialize�� with the kids for another 6 – should this be suspect?


Maybe not terribly suspect. What do they mean by 25 days of work? Will you be working 25 days straight? Or, will you be working Saturdays only on the weekend? For the month of January in Korea, there are four regular weeks, Monday-Friday. The end of the forth week/beginning of the fifth has a three-day holiday occuring on Sunday(29th), Monday(30th), and Tuesday(31st). I count 24 days M-Saturday. Just wondering. Anyway, I might understand you taking this one if you need the airfare up front...seems like a long time in a day to have to deal with kids who aren't your own though...

stejskalova wrote:
I also got another offer of 3.0 for one month, 8 hours a day Mon-Sat, but this would be minus airfare (which would be like a grand USD) and visa costs.


So, you might actually be working for 24 days of January with this one? Seems like it might be better than the first(just my opinion). I bet you'll also be "socializing" or doing some activities in this one and will be actually teaching less than the eight hours noted. At least you'll have a little time to spend alone each day just to relax or go out with some other teachers.
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